AI In Music: Is It A Crime?

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All right,

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so today's episode,

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to some it may be a crime,

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to some it's not.

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I'm going to give you my thoughts on it and what I'm doing in that space.

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And we're going to talk about AI,

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artificial intelligence in the music business.

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The reason I'm bringing this up is because it has been a large outcry about AI now.

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And I think that there's some information that's getting passed around about artificial intelligence,

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especially in the music business,

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that is not true.

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Some say this is criminal and you know me on this platform,

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I cover everything and this is one of them.

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I think I can speak about this in this space because

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I'm going to tell you a project that I'm doing that is partially AI and then where I stand.

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So let's get into it.

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The one thing I'm going to tell you about the music business is the music business is very hypocritical.

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They only start crying about things when they feel that it affects them directly.

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Even if these things have been around for a long period of time.

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The other thing is,

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is I'm getting tired of hearing is people saying that people that use AI to generate songs or whatever are untalented or they don't play an instrument or they couldn't do this themselves.

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I will give you this.

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There are some people,

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we'll talk about one of them specifically today,

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that can't sing.

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Admit it,

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could not sing.

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No,

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can't do this,

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but can write.

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But if you listen to all of the people I've heard on YouTube,

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just go on YouTube and look at,

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look up AI music and...

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People's going off.

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There's this one cat I listen to who's all over the place.

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You know,

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he sits in front of his keyboard.

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He's going off about how music is dead and people should be shot because they shouldn't be listening to this.

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AI is horrible.

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And everyone that's using AI is untalented.

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And they couldn't play this if they saved them.

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Well,

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I am a 49 year professional musician.

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I have played on albums.

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I have played in bands.

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I am a drummer.

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I'm also a singer.

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I have done this in this space.

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certainly not untalented certainly could play the drums certainly can carry a tune now i may not be as good as i was back in the day but i have records out there with bands i was in back when i was 19 20 and plus that i'm singing on okay so i certainly can do some of these things that the ar artist

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is doing yes there is one we're talking about here in a minute that minute could not sing a lick but again like i'm saying the music business is hypocritical

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Folks,

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AI has been around for a long period of time.

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It's been around so long that they've camouflaged it into names that you just don't know.

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You just think it's something new.

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Let me give you one.

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Who out there listening to the sound of my voice uses an iPhone?

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Remember,

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I worked for Apple for eight years.

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I know some of the backdoor stuff that maybe you guys don't know.

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Let me give you Apple's biggest trick about artificial intelligence.

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And they were using it the whole time.

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They just gave it a different name.

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How many of you always heard them say,

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and with this brand new neural engine,

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neural engine in Apple speak was artificial intelligence.

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Right at my last year here this year before I left,

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they had ramped this up.

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as long as I work for Apple,

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Apple is the company that don't give away nothing,

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right?

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So if you have Google,

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Microsoft,

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when you walk in as a rep,

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they got buttons and pins and...

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They give you gift cards at Christmas time to go get a coffee,

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not Apple.

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Matter of fact,

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there was rules written against it that could have cost me my job if I did it.

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There is a compliance that we have to take every year that narrows that down.

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Why we can't give out gifts.

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Don't give out gifts to these people.

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And there's even a hard policy on giving gifts to those that work within Apple.

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They don't give away anything.

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But when Apple intelligence finally broke this year.

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And they told you it was called Apple Intelligence.

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And they're giving you this suite of stuff that is around nothing but AI.

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Well,

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they gave stuff away.

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They sent me a whole multitude of T-shirts to give away to different individuals within my either Best Buys or whatever carrier stores I was going to that day.

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I have a couple of AI shirts.

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This is Apple Intelligence.

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It's probably all about it because AI is so big that now Apple decides,

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hey,

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it's so big to us,

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we'll give things away.

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Neural Engine.

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AI has been in your phones for about the last five years.

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If you use a Google phone,

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everything you do on there,

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AI,

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when they say that they're going to digitally zoom out on your camera,

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they're using AI.

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Their newest phones from Google is using AI to get you that photo zoom that you want on there.

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When you look at Apple phones,

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when you get to remove things from a photo,

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that is all AI.

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AI is so deep in your Apple phone right now that...

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Depending on what model you have,

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I have the 15.

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So if you go and click on that button at the very top on the left,

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it's going to open up something called

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Photo AI,

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which you take a photo and AI will tell you what that is.

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And you can actually go into notes right now and you can click a button at the bottom and you can write it like you're writing the JETGPT.

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And you can tell it to make you a story of Kobe Bryant playing basketball when he was 19.

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AI will make you that story.

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And if you've missed it.

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Apple has actually signed into a deal with ChatGPT.

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So if you are running

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ChatGPT at all,

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like you have an account,

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you can sign in through the settings of your iPhone so that it uses your ChatGPT account.

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However,

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if you don't have an account or don't want one,

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no problem.

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Because with your iPhones,

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you can use ChatGPT for free.

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The only difference is you only get so many queries on their current model,

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and then it will pipe you down to the model below it,

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but you can use it for free.

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AI has been around this whole time.

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AI in music has been around for a long period of time.

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And I'm about to expose some people right now since people's running around talking about some,

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oh my gosh,

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AI artists is trash and get rid of them and they're gonna take over the world.

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I'm gonna introduce you to some artists that is using AI right now and you may have never,

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ever knew it.

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Before I tell you who these guys are,

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let me tell you about the early music business.

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See,

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borrowing from other musicians has been a thing for years.

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What do you think we get sampling from?

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Go out there and listen to several songs.

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You'll hear that there's some sampling.

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Human Nature has been sampled before.

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I think SWV did a version that sampled Michael Jackson.

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Will Smith has sampled a number of songs.

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Rappers sample songs all the time.

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You'll get in the car and you'll hear a song and you'll be like,

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isn't that Broken Wings?

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Because it's been sampled.

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that was AI back in the day.

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I can understand the reason why they're saying,

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because they're swearing that people are not getting paid adequately.

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so yes,

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when you sample these songs,

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people do get paid.

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You just have to go to the record company or whoever holds the right to that song.

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so understand that a lot of your artists don't hold the rights to their own music.

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You have to go to whatever company that holds that right to get that permission to record that song as a cover.

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and then they sample it.

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So borrowing from musicians is nothing new.

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Prince,

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why he wrote Slave,

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because he thought he was on the contract.

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If you look at the end of Prince's life and anything he did after the Warner Brothers thing,

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Prince holds the rights to all his music,

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which is why they're still releasing it right now.

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Very important key.

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That's why he didn't get caught up into that stuff.

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But so now that everybody's sampling everything,

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running around borrowing from artists,

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now we want to jump on

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AI musicians.

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Now there's the big reason why people are jumping on there.

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because of the fact that AI musicians are,

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I guess,

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making charge,

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holding presidents,

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getting money deals,

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right?

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Even though there ain't been that many of them that's got money deals yet,

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but it's happening.

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I think AI is causing musicians to step up their game because it is true that within AI,

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you can make a perfect album.

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I'm not saying that I agree with everything that is AI because I don't,

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and I'm going to break down for you what I don't or what I do agree with.

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AI is here to stay and we need to figure out how we're going to deal with that as musicians and in the company.

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Let me show you what I say that the record company is hypocritical.

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I'm not going to mention his name,

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but like I said,

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there's a guy I listen to a lot on YouTube who is a musician who is just damning everybody that is using AI.

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Yet he admits that he's using

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ChatGPT. Now,

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let me show you how hypocritical it is.

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I forget the artist.

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One girl who was an artist came and said she can never understand AI and she ain't gonna ever be behind it.

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And it's taken away from artists and this is going to kill the genre.

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If you do a quick look,

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you're going to find out right now that there's artists that is using AI in their music.

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You just may never know it,

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but they're using it.

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Now,

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if you look up any artist that has been in AI,

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the first one is going to pop up is going to be a girl named

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Zania Monet.

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Zania Monet is the one that's coming up under big scrutiny right now because of the fact that

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Zania is an AI artist.

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It's not a real person who's singing this song.

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However,

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the girl that is behind Zania Monáe has come out,

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has done an expose,

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and...

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has talked about why she wanted to come out and bring out why she's doing Zania Monet.

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Now,

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I'm going to call her Nikki,

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but her name is Talisha Nikki Jones.

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Talisha Nikki Jones is the one that's behind Zania Monet.

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Now,

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Zania Monet,

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Nikki,

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is the one I was referring to that says she cannot sing.

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So she cannot sing,

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she cannot play an instrument,

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but she can write.

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So every lyric that you heard or hear from Zania Monet,

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it was written by Nikki.

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It wasn't AI generated at all.

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Now the music.

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and the voice is AI generated.

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Here's the hypocritical part of that.

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Everybody's coming out against her because of what she's now done.

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Now,

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if you ever go and just listen to

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Zania Monet's album,

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which is out right now,

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it's the only one she had.

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She,

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for a first time artist,

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dropped a double album,

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the first album that she drops,

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okay?

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I've listened to the album.

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If no one would have ever told me this,

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I would have never been able to tell that Zania Monet was an AI artist.

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The point is,

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You guys wouldn't be able to tell that either.

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Now,

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here's what's gotten the music industry in a ruffle over Zanaya Monet.

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Zanaya Monet is on the top of charts,

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billboard charts,

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which includes adult R&B,

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airplay chart,

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the hot gospel songs chart,

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and the R&B digital song sales chart.

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She also debuted on the hot R&B songs chart and the emerging artists chart.

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She is the first AR artist to ever debut.

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on a billboard radio airplay chart with a track.

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So this is where the artwork's coming from.

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This is what I heard.

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She shouldn't be up there.

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What did she do?

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Okay,

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and there's no sense,

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because I think it was

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Kesha, I don't think it was,

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I don't remember who it was,

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but whoever the artist was was saying,

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you know,

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she didn't sleep on grounds,

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and she didn't go through blood,

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sweat,

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and tears,

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and she didn't do any of this stuff to become an artist.

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Let's look at what music is.

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There's a lot of people,

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yes,

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that did exactly what she said,

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but now there's a lot of people

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That did not.

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Justin Bieber didn't.

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Justin Bieber just was releasing songs on YouTube,

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got discovered by Usher and got a signed deal.

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Back in the day,

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Tevin Campbell didn't sleep on the sidewalk or he didn't starve.

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Tevin Campbell was discovered by Quincy Jones when he went to the corner to sing to make money.

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I believe to get his father a father's day gift.

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They didn't sweat blood,

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sweat and tears to do it.

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Now I give them this.

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They were singers.

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They could sing,

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But her point is...

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that Zaniya Monet didn't go through all these hardships.

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I just gave you two artists that didn't go through any hardships either.

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Now,

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I will come back to say this about Justin Bieber.

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Justin Bieber went through hardships later on because he got mixed up in all the whole Diddy thing.

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I will give him that.

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But to get started,

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he did not.

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The Velvet Sundown.

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Nobody wanted to talk about them.

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It seems like Zaniya Monet got the brunt of all of this backlash when it came to AR artists.

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And I don't think that's fair.

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The Velvet Sundown is another group.

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No one knew who the Velvet Sundown was.

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I didn't until this guy,

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hey,

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Velvet Sundown's getting all these likes and blah.

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Velvet Sundown gets 222,883 listens a month.

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Zania Monet,

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1.3 million.

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Now,

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here's where I disagree with Zania Monet versus the Velvet Sundown.

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When I went to check out Zania Monet's profiles,

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and this is what I do believe needs to happen.

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It should have said somewhere at the top,

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but I'll be digging for it.

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That's the Naya Monet was indeed a AI artist.

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That the woman that you hear singing was generated by a computer.

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That definitely should say that.

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However,

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when you go to her Spotify profile,

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there is no mention of that at all.

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Matter of fact,

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when you click on her about section,

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the only thing it does is it just tells you where she's getting the most listeners from.

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However,

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I had to go dig through her Apple Music profile,

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and it still didn't tell me right away that she was.

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It goes off about how soulful she is and the songs she's writing about.

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And I had to go all the way down to the middle before it told me that Zania Monáe was indeed.

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an AI artist.

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Now,

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here's why Zania is connecting with a lot of people.

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The music she's writing is very personal.

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And this is what people say.

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Well,

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you don't get no feeling from AI.

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AI is flat.

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If somebody's just generating a prompt to say,

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give me this,

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they're right.

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And I'm going to talk to you about prompts coming towards the end of how these things is happening.

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However,

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Ryan Monet's album is not flat.

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There's runs and there's emotion and there's feelings.

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And if you listen to the songs that she's writing that she wrote from her own personal diary,

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if you don't feel something,

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there's a problem.

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And that's how come she's on these charts.

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It really has nothing to do with the fact that Zania Monet is an AI artist.

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I think if anybody came out writing the songs that she was writing,

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they would make the charts too.

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But that's what it's all coming from.

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It's because of the lyrics of the songs.

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I mean,

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some of the songs says,

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how was I supposed to know?

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Think that was about her dad.

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But the one that really kills me is she has one called Miscarriage Blues.

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It's all about how she had a miscarriage.

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I mean,

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if you listen to all of her songs,

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Let Go,

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Let God,

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I Asked for So Little,

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The Storm Don't Get a Break,

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This Ain't No Tryout.

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All of these songs are very personal songs.

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And my daughter says this is a sad album.

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Now,

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before she even knew about Zanaya Monet,

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I was playing in the car and I said,

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hey,

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does this sound like an A.I.

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artist to you?

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And she's like,

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no.

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I'm like,

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what if I told you that she wasn't real?

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My daughter kind of froze.

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There's another one that I listened to,

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Tears of a Black Father by a guy named JT Hustles.

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Now,

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I discovered him because the guy behind JT Hustles,

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who's also AI,

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did a YouTube video on how to use Suno and why he was doing it.

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This,

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I think he says,

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is his fourth album that he's doing AI-wise.

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You listen to Tears of a Black Father,

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which is about any man,

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really,

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it could be any man.

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that is going through the pressures that we all go through as a man and a father.

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But he was talking specifically on the black father end,

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right?

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So he was bringing up things that are trends in black fatherhood,

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you know,

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not just loss of job,

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but absentee fathers.

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I mean,

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he covered an affair.

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I mean,

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the whole nine.

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But if I would have discovered Tears of a Black Father by JT Hustles without me even seeing this guy's video,

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I would have thought JT was a real person.

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The point I'm trying to make to you is,

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You don't know if you're listening to AI or not.

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Let me give you another one.

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Now,

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I think I told you that there's some artists who indeed uses AI in their stuff.

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So Naya Monet,

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of course,

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is the first one that will pop up because she is 100%

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AI,

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except for the lyrics and the feel of the music.

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And I'll explain a little bit about that later on.

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But she is the one that's catching all the flame because of the fact that she is the one AI artist that's on the top.

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Zania Monet has also been signed to a $3 million record deal.

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She is one of two.

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Now,

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I don't remember the other guy,

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but there's another guy that got a deal.

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I don't think it was as high as hers,

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but Zania Monet has been signed to a $3 million record deal.

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I will tell you what I think the highs and the lows is about that going forward.

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But if you look at some of the other ones,

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let me just give you artists that you guys would actually know,

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because there's a lot of artists on this list.

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So what if I was to tell you that David Guetta...

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He used AI to create a track that sounded like an Eminem-style song,

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which he later sampled in a live show.

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Now,

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I'm going to give you another big artist,

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Drake.

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Drake wrote a song doing the Kendrick Lamar beef featuring Tupac and Snoop Dogg.

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It was all

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AI-generated. French Montana made a song called Ride the Wave,

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made all

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AI-generated. Taylor Swift,

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Travis Kelsey.

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did Love Song,

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they did an AI parody of that,

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and then there's a remix of Blinding Lights by The Weeknd that was AI generated.

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That's just a few I'm going to give you.

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They all use a platform called Sound Draw,

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where artists go to to make music or to remix their music,

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but here you go.

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Now,

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I just told you,

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you got all these people swearing that they're going to shut down AI.

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AI is damning,

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and AI is taking real musicians'

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jobs,

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and

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Pretty soon,

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AI is going to wipe out everybody.

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I just gave you some big artists that's using AI right now.

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I heard that there's some producer.

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I think the producer of Soundgarden is some other band.

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He uses AI.

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Do you know that there is AI in the digital audio workstations like Logic Pro X that people can put in to use?

519
00:19:36.664 --> 00:19:42.149
Do you know there's producers all over the globe that you like that their producers using AI right now?

520
00:19:42.367 --> 00:19:47.164
They're using AI to enhance their voice or enhance the beats or even make a beat.

521
00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:53.525
So before the music industry and all of these artists are coming out talking about somehow AI,

522
00:19:53.845 --> 00:20:01.075
it should not be listened to and shame on AI and Suno and everybody should be shut down and all of this stuff.

523
00:20:01.255 --> 00:20:02.036
I just told you,

524
00:20:02.114 --> 00:20:04.583
you got some big musicians using AI right now.

525
00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:07.521
So if anybody is putting AI in the music business,

526
00:20:07.739 --> 00:20:08.943
it's the people themselves.

527
00:20:09.146 --> 00:20:12.599
But I also think that people only complain when they want to complain.

528
00:20:12.943 --> 00:20:13.068
So

529
00:20:13.505 --> 00:20:15.646
Zania Monet has gotten the biggest complaints.

530
00:20:16.024 --> 00:20:19.348
No one's complained about all the other AI 50 plus artists that I found.

531
00:20:19.367 --> 00:20:22.729
There's all over Spotify and Apple music right now.

532
00:20:23.072 --> 00:20:24.393
I don't hear a lot of complaints,

533
00:20:24.690 --> 00:20:26.018
but it comes as a Naya Monet.

534
00:20:26.072 --> 00:20:29.377
And there's number one complaint because she's actually sitting on a chart.

535
00:20:29.518 --> 00:20:30.799
Now that she deserved to be there.

536
00:20:30.877 --> 00:20:31.580
Let's talk about that.

537
00:20:31.721 --> 00:20:32.674
She's a songwriter.

538
00:20:33.018 --> 00:20:34.721
She used AI to get her song out.

539
00:20:34.908 --> 00:20:35.596
More than 90%

540
00:20:36.080 --> 00:20:38.627
of the artists you listen to don't write their own music.

541
00:20:38.986 --> 00:20:39.690
They sing it.

542
00:20:40.058 --> 00:20:41.579
but they don't write their own music.

543
00:20:41.718 --> 00:20:43.740
How do you think Usher came to have a career?

544
00:20:44.058 --> 00:20:46.660
Usher used to write songs for other people.

545
00:20:47.038 --> 00:20:48.081
Then one day he figured,

546
00:20:48.120 --> 00:20:48.277
hey,

547
00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:49.503
I'm writing these good songs.

548
00:20:49.542 --> 00:20:50.199
I can do it myself,

549
00:20:50.222 --> 00:20:50.738
make this money.

550
00:20:51.120 --> 00:20:52.363
So Usher became an artist.

551
00:20:52.660 --> 00:20:53.558
So what's the difference?

552
00:20:53.824 --> 00:21:00.183
You're winning awards based on a song that somebody wrote either for you or for another artist.

553
00:21:00.464 --> 00:21:01.699
Do you deserve to get that?

554
00:21:01.808 --> 00:21:02.402
Now they're going to say,

555
00:21:02.449 --> 00:21:02.636
yeah,

556
00:21:02.683 --> 00:21:04.902
because I sung it and I did all of that.

557
00:21:04.964 --> 00:21:05.183
Okay,

558
00:21:05.277 --> 00:21:07.980
but if the songwriter didn't write that song for you,

559
00:21:08.410 --> 00:21:09.711
Would you be on that stage?

560
00:21:09.832 --> 00:21:11.312
Would you get that award?

561
00:21:11.633 --> 00:21:11.754
No,

562
00:21:11.812 --> 00:21:13.938
because the song wouldn't be for you.

563
00:21:14.375 --> 00:21:18.422
How many stories have you heard about songs that was written for some specific person?

564
00:21:18.617 --> 00:21:19.523
And then for some reason,

565
00:21:19.602 --> 00:21:22.547
that person turned it down and it went to somewhere else.

566
00:21:22.805 --> 00:21:24.641
And now it became world's biggest hit.

567
00:21:24.750 --> 00:21:26.125
I'll give you one of those songs.

568
00:21:26.766 --> 00:21:29.828
There's a song called I Swear that was done by John

569
00:21:30.188 --> 00:21:31.094
Michael Montgomery.

570
00:21:31.234 --> 00:21:33.531
John Michael Montgomery is a country music artist.

571
00:21:33.875 --> 00:21:37.141
And the song was written by a guy named Gary Baker and Frank J.

572
00:21:37.281 --> 00:21:37.656
Myers.

573
00:21:37.746 --> 00:21:38.307
So again,

574
00:21:38.407 --> 00:21:41.009
John Michael Montgomery did not even write this song.

575
00:21:41.310 --> 00:21:44.273
The song did go on to become a country hit.

576
00:21:44.874 --> 00:21:46.312
But guess what happened?

577
00:21:46.313 --> 00:21:48.234
In 1993,

578
00:21:48.235 --> 00:21:53.703
a black R&B group by the name of All For One came out and they covered the song.

579
00:21:53.945 --> 00:21:54.070
Now,

580
00:21:54.085 --> 00:21:59.288
remember I told you that they had to go to whoever John Michael Montgomery's record company was,

581
00:21:59.304 --> 00:22:00.163
or they had to go to Gary

582
00:22:00.554 --> 00:22:01.695
Baker and Frank Myers and say,

583
00:22:01.696 --> 00:22:01.804
hey,

584
00:22:01.805 --> 00:22:02.632
we want to cover this song.

585
00:22:02.648 --> 00:22:03.976
Whoever holds the rights to that.

586
00:22:04.226 --> 00:22:06.429
And then they paid a royalty for them to record it.

587
00:22:07.210 --> 00:22:07.429
But

588
00:22:07.518 --> 00:22:10.819
But even though when John Michael Montgomery did the song,

589
00:22:10.918 --> 00:22:13.100
it became an American country hit.

590
00:22:13.479 --> 00:22:15.541
When All For One did the song,

591
00:22:15.760 --> 00:22:16.479
it became an

592
00:22:16.823 --> 00:22:22.760
R&B hit and became bigger than when John Michael Montgomery did it and it became a hit.

593
00:22:23.143 --> 00:22:23.877
Matter of fact,

594
00:22:23.956 --> 00:22:28.143
if you look up in Google under and just type in swear song,

595
00:22:28.268 --> 00:22:29.487
because if you just put I swear,

596
00:22:29.488 --> 00:22:31.127
it comes up with some other jargon.

597
00:22:31.518 --> 00:22:32.721
But put I swear song,

598
00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:35.768
the first people that come up is All For One.

599
00:22:36.018 --> 00:22:37.112
You actually have to either

600
00:22:37.326 --> 00:22:39.346
know John Michael Montgomery wrote the song,

601
00:22:39.347 --> 00:22:42.086
or you have to scroll down further and dig into,

602
00:22:42.586 --> 00:22:45.449
or you have to look up under these people also searched for,

603
00:22:45.785 --> 00:22:49.566
because those who knew searched for John Michael Montgomery because they knew he was the original.

604
00:22:49.910 --> 00:22:50.129
Now,

605
00:22:50.473 --> 00:22:52.473
here's kind of the cool thing about that whole thing,

606
00:22:52.512 --> 00:22:52.691
though.

607
00:22:53.027 --> 00:22:54.215
Most artists wouldn't do this,

608
00:22:54.512 --> 00:22:56.496
especially if you top them.

609
00:22:56.512 --> 00:23:01.058
I'll give you one more before I tell you this story about what happened with I Swear It All For One.

610
00:23:01.449 --> 00:23:05.418
Dolly Parton released a song years ago called I Will Always Love You.

611
00:23:05.808 --> 00:23:06.277
Big hit,

612
00:23:06.387 --> 00:23:06.590
right?

613
00:23:06.774 --> 00:23:07.094
Dolly.

614
00:23:07.355 --> 00:23:08.797
Whitney Houston comes along,

615
00:23:09.416 --> 00:23:10.799
redoes the song,

616
00:23:11.017 --> 00:23:12.459
uses it even in the movie,

617
00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.341
becomes a bigger song than what Dolly ever had.

618
00:23:15.662 --> 00:23:16.662
But Dolly and John,

619
00:23:16.724 --> 00:23:16.966
though,

620
00:23:17.365 --> 00:23:18.404
they upstand the citizens.

621
00:23:18.724 --> 00:23:20.349
Dolly never really boffed about it.

622
00:23:20.646 --> 00:23:23.232
She congratulated Whitney Houston on her success,

623
00:23:23.607 --> 00:23:24.951
said that it was a beautiful song,

624
00:23:24.966 --> 00:23:26.857
and she was happy that she had did it.

625
00:23:27.170 --> 00:23:28.154
John Michael Montgomery,

626
00:23:28.435 --> 00:23:29.623
a couple of years ago,

627
00:23:29.951 --> 00:23:35.279
on YouTube sat down with All For One and they re-recorded,

628
00:23:35.841 --> 00:23:36.279
I swear.

629
00:23:36.566 --> 00:23:37.446
all together.

630
00:23:37.746 --> 00:23:38.626
Most beautiful moment.

631
00:23:38.967 --> 00:23:45.024
But I'll tell you these stories to show you that we've borrowed from artists all before and that no artist writes their own music.

632
00:23:45.344 --> 00:23:48.469
So does Zania deserve to be on the chart or as they say,

633
00:23:48.571 --> 00:23:48.829
Nikki,

634
00:23:49.212 --> 00:23:50.352
if these songs is hidden,

635
00:23:50.727 --> 00:23:55.633
she deserves to be there because she's fed the algorithm and told them what it needed to say,

636
00:23:55.883 --> 00:23:56.946
how it needed to feel,

637
00:23:57.337 --> 00:23:58.149
what it needed to do.

638
00:23:58.587 --> 00:23:58.758
Now,

639
00:23:58.790 --> 00:24:00.446
let me tell you what the controversy is.

640
00:24:00.712 --> 00:24:05.196
The controversy is also because they say that places like Suno is using...

641
00:24:05.594 --> 00:24:06.956
unauthorized music.

642
00:24:07.155 --> 00:24:07.956
Oh my gosh.

643
00:24:08.298 --> 00:24:14.524
They're using copyrighted stuff to train the algorithms on what to say and to use.

644
00:24:14.681 --> 00:24:16.782
So they're saying that all of these voices,

645
00:24:16.806 --> 00:24:17.766
you take Beyonce,

646
00:24:18.149 --> 00:24:18.610
Usher,

647
00:24:18.704 --> 00:24:20.032
Michael Jackson,

648
00:24:20.509 --> 00:24:21.391
Whitney Houston,

649
00:24:21.446 --> 00:24:22.095
Dolly Parton,

650
00:24:22.407 --> 00:24:24.157
anybody you can think of that's an artist,

651
00:24:24.485 --> 00:24:26.141
that when they scrape all this stuff,

652
00:24:26.173 --> 00:24:28.860
they're using their sounds,

653
00:24:28.891 --> 00:24:29.704
their textures,

654
00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:30.532
their voices,

655
00:24:30.595 --> 00:24:31.501
their music

656
00:24:31.826 --> 00:24:32.967
Anything that came with that.

657
00:24:33.087 --> 00:24:36.992
And this is how Zuno is training its base.

658
00:24:37.113 --> 00:24:38.113
And you have artists saying,

659
00:24:38.132 --> 00:24:38.273
well,

660
00:24:38.274 --> 00:24:40.734
they're taking from everything that the internet has.

661
00:24:40.898 --> 00:24:42.554
So that means they're also stealing from me.

662
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:43.578
I'm a creator.

663
00:24:43.937 --> 00:24:45.476
I've been creating for more than 20 years.

664
00:24:45.757 --> 00:24:49.117
So that means when you hear a dude that's talking with a very deep voice,

665
00:24:49.523 --> 00:24:51.445
that they're also stealing content from me then.

666
00:24:51.523 --> 00:24:53.992
Because you said that they're taking it from everywhere.

667
00:24:53.993 --> 00:24:55.023
And they start mentioning things.

668
00:24:55.335 --> 00:24:56.757
They're taking it from newspapers.

669
00:24:57.007 --> 00:24:58.835
And they're taking it from YouTube.

670
00:24:58.890 --> 00:25:02.795
And they're taking it from Spotify and Apple Music and able to get their hands on it.

671
00:25:02.796 --> 00:25:05.736
So that also means that they're stealing from me and from you,

672
00:25:05.935 --> 00:25:06.557
your creator.

673
00:25:06.619 --> 00:25:12.322
I have thousands upon thousands of hours of my voice just out here on YouTube.

674
00:25:12.385 --> 00:25:13.486
But nobody thinks about that.

675
00:25:14.064 --> 00:25:14.283
Now,

676
00:25:14.486 --> 00:25:15.408
I will give you this.

677
00:25:15.439 --> 00:25:20.033
I have written some AI models that I have seen on YouTube that,

678
00:25:20.111 --> 00:25:20.330
yeah,

679
00:25:20.533 --> 00:25:26.392
I'm going to tell you they're probably trained directly on copyrighted works because this guy was just putting in.

680
00:25:27.130 --> 00:25:29.633
sing this Christmas song in the tune of Frank Sinatra,

681
00:25:29.934 --> 00:25:32.215
and it sounded exactly like Frank Sinatra.

682
00:25:32.395 --> 00:25:33.195
But on Suno,

683
00:25:33.617 --> 00:25:34.418
what if I was to tell you,

684
00:25:34.419 --> 00:25:36.203
you can't even reference an artist.

685
00:25:36.477 --> 00:25:38.945
It won't even generate a song if you reference an artist.

686
00:25:39.344 --> 00:25:39.461
So

687
00:25:39.984 --> 00:25:40.742
I tested it out.

688
00:25:40.844 --> 00:25:41.164
I said,

689
00:25:41.227 --> 00:25:41.344
hey,

690
00:25:41.406 --> 00:25:42.891
I want a drum swell.

691
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:46.142
Like In The Air Tonight by Phil Collins.

692
00:25:46.482 --> 00:25:47.705
When I went to generate that song,

693
00:25:48.084 --> 00:25:48.384
he said,

694
00:25:48.505 --> 00:25:48.744
whoop,

695
00:25:48.826 --> 00:25:49.384
can't do it.

696
00:25:49.447 --> 00:25:50.767
You mentioned Phil Collins.

697
00:25:51.088 --> 00:25:52.408
So in Sunaway Leaves,

698
00:25:52.409 --> 00:25:55.791
you cannot directly put in a feeling for an artist.

699
00:25:56.072 --> 00:25:57.673
If you know what that feeling is,

700
00:25:57.752 --> 00:25:58.752
you can type it out.

701
00:25:59.033 --> 00:25:59.259
Okay,

702
00:25:59.377 --> 00:26:05.822
give me a heavy drum intro solo using nothing but toms for the first four measures.

703
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:06.463
Boom.

704
00:26:06.838 --> 00:26:08.291
Now it should be able to do that,

705
00:26:08.650 --> 00:26:09.900
but I can't go in and say,

706
00:26:10.384 --> 00:26:12.322
I want this specific thing.

707
00:26:12.692 --> 00:26:14.374
they will not allow you to use artists'

708
00:26:14.414 --> 00:26:14.714
names.

709
00:26:14.995 --> 00:26:15.694
If it's the money,

710
00:26:16.276 --> 00:26:17.378
which I think that's what it is,

711
00:26:17.796 --> 00:26:18.038
okay,

712
00:26:18.096 --> 00:26:18.596
I agree with you.

713
00:26:18.597 --> 00:26:23.159
If you catch something that somebody did use in Suno or whatever,

714
00:26:23.604 --> 00:26:25.042
and it's copyrighted stuff,

715
00:26:25.385 --> 00:26:27.503
and let's say it sounded just like Beyonce,

716
00:26:27.831 --> 00:26:29.221
and you got Beyonce's beat,

717
00:26:29.456 --> 00:26:29.831
then yeah,

718
00:26:29.893 --> 00:26:31.190
Beyonce needs to be paid.

719
00:26:31.550 --> 00:26:33.596
But in a large amount of this music,

720
00:26:33.956 --> 00:26:35.956
that is not what I'm seeing.

721
00:26:36.331 --> 00:26:40.221
There is some communities that is just around AI.

722
00:26:40.616 --> 00:26:44.120
There's a couple of places that you can go to that is nothing but AI music.

723
00:26:44.299 --> 00:26:46.864
And that's what their whole radio station there is.

724
00:26:47.164 --> 00:26:48.145
But I say all that to say,

725
00:26:48.325 --> 00:26:50.086
I don't think all AI is bad.

726
00:26:50.305 --> 00:26:51.188
And again,

727
00:26:51.266 --> 00:26:58.641
I just proved to you how hypocritical the music business is because these same people that's complaining to you about how ethical it is,

728
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:02.485
it's the same people that's using chat GPT right now.

729
00:27:02.954 --> 00:27:04.922
They're getting them to write lyrics for them.

730
00:27:05.297 --> 00:27:07.141
They're getting them to read books for them,

731
00:27:07.469 --> 00:27:07.985
all of that.

732
00:27:08.297 --> 00:27:10.000
And there are some people you're listening to.

733
00:27:10.456 --> 00:27:11.137
that uses

734
00:27:11.497 --> 00:27:14.759
ChatGPT to write all of their lyrics.

735
00:27:15.103 --> 00:27:17.024
There was some rapper that just came out and said,

736
00:27:17.224 --> 00:27:17.782
hey man,

737
00:27:17.884 --> 00:27:20.446
he tells ChatGPT to write all his lyrics.

738
00:27:20.485 --> 00:27:20.603
Now,

739
00:27:20.649 --> 00:27:21.509
I disagree with that.

740
00:27:21.868 --> 00:27:25.673
And I'm going to tell you how you get around some of those things if you truly write your stuff.

741
00:27:26.110 --> 00:27:26.845
But like I said,

742
00:27:27.095 --> 00:27:28.517
the record company is hypocritical.

743
00:27:28.673 --> 00:27:30.329
They feel like it's going to hit their bottom line right now.

744
00:27:30.735 --> 00:27:31.954
So because of all of that,

745
00:27:32.439 --> 00:27:33.142
they're balking.

746
00:27:33.485 --> 00:27:39.360
Let me tell you my use of AI and what I disagreed with and why I didn't use AI.

747
00:27:39.808 --> 00:27:42.051
for my podcast for a very long time.

748
00:27:42.211 --> 00:27:42.611
Here's why.

749
00:27:42.951 --> 00:27:44.353
The one thing I disagree with,

750
00:27:44.354 --> 00:27:45.295
no matter who it is,

751
00:27:45.572 --> 00:27:46.033
is this.

752
00:27:46.353 --> 00:27:47.537
The AR artists,

753
00:27:47.736 --> 00:27:49.600
now people say we shouldn't call them artists,

754
00:27:49.896 --> 00:27:54.881
but the AR artists that sits down to chat GBT and write this prompt out,

755
00:27:54.943 --> 00:27:57.623
or they go to Zuno or whoever else they're going to use.

756
00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:58.482
And they say,

757
00:27:59.128 --> 00:28:03.331
Make me a pop song about the last love I had in the rain.

758
00:28:03.694 --> 00:28:04.553
And they hit generate.

759
00:28:04.854 --> 00:28:10.378
I disagree with that because there really is no human interaction behind that.

760
00:28:10.761 --> 00:28:12.362
They can't even copyright that.

761
00:28:12.518 --> 00:28:16.120
And we're going to talk about that at the end because I did copyright my words.

762
00:28:16.121 --> 00:28:18.432
I'm going to tell you the project was on and I'm going to tell you how I was able to.

763
00:28:18.823 --> 00:28:20.776
I got a BMI count in the whole nine.

764
00:28:20.792 --> 00:28:20.964
Okay,

765
00:28:20.995 --> 00:28:22.651
so I'll tell you all that at the end of this.

766
00:28:23.104 --> 00:28:26.448
But that whole song now is AI generated.

767
00:28:26.756 --> 00:28:30.401
All you did was gave Suno or Tachi BT an instance.

768
00:28:30.639 --> 00:28:30.862
Okay,

769
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:31.440
you just say,

770
00:28:31.940 --> 00:28:33.764
give me this love song about me and the rain.

771
00:28:34.123 --> 00:28:36.104
So it did all the lyrics.

772
00:28:36.307 --> 00:28:37.588
It did all the music.

773
00:28:37.885 --> 00:28:39.252
It did all the vocals.

774
00:28:39.432 --> 00:28:40.807
You had no inflection of that.

775
00:28:41.127 --> 00:28:42.494
I disagree with those works.

776
00:28:42.893 --> 00:28:46.721
That is dishonest because you did just ask a computer,

777
00:28:47.362 --> 00:28:48.221
build me a song.

778
00:28:48.237 --> 00:28:48.940
Okay,

779
00:28:49.033 --> 00:28:50.143
I watched a whole dude that said,

780
00:28:50.174 --> 00:28:50.299
man,

781
00:28:50.346 --> 00:28:51.237
I got 20 albums.

782
00:28:51.520 --> 00:28:52.541
Let me show you how I did it.

783
00:28:52.741 --> 00:28:53.081
And he goes,

784
00:28:53.121 --> 00:28:54.181
I just go to ChatGPT.

785
00:28:54.361 --> 00:28:55.041
I come with a name.

786
00:28:55.121 --> 00:28:56.402
Let's say the name is Samson

787
00:28:56.742 --> 00:28:58.703
Young. And he types in Samson wrong.

788
00:28:58.704 --> 00:28:59.082
And he goes,

789
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:07.246
give me a 10 song album about a man who was locked outside in the cold and became homeless.

790
00:29:07.558 --> 00:29:10.949
And I watched ChatGPT within seconds.

791
00:29:11.261 --> 00:29:11.730
Here is,

792
00:29:11.949 --> 00:29:14.246
and they even gave him video concepts.

793
00:29:14.621 --> 00:29:16.683
This is the video concept you should use.

794
00:29:16.699 --> 00:29:18.152
This is how you should open the video.

795
00:29:18.699 --> 00:29:20.386
Here is the 10 song album.

796
00:29:20.748 --> 00:29:23.011
Here is the titles of all 10 songs.

797
00:29:23.310 --> 00:29:26.132
Here is what the premise of the 10 songs should be about.

798
00:29:26.554 --> 00:29:33.703
Would you like me to go ahead and make you a chart for Zuno that they would read to create all these songs?

799
00:29:33.882 --> 00:29:36.140
I disagree with that because now that is dishonest.

800
00:29:36.421 --> 00:29:37.023
He can't really,

801
00:29:37.117 --> 00:29:37.961
if he's being honest,

802
00:29:38.273 --> 00:29:39.507
he can't even make any money off of that.

803
00:29:39.508 --> 00:29:41.882
We're trying to because under the rules,

804
00:29:42.211 --> 00:29:45.586
there has to be some type of human involvement.

805
00:29:45.992 --> 00:29:48.820
That is not human involvement because you didn't write anything.

806
00:29:49.148 --> 00:29:50.989
or do anything that you were supposed to do.

807
00:29:51.271 --> 00:29:51.390
Now,

808
00:29:51.391 --> 00:29:52.191
I disagree with that,

809
00:29:52.552 --> 00:29:54.653
which is why I disagree with using

810
00:29:54.993 --> 00:29:56.657
AI in podcasts.

811
00:29:56.696 --> 00:29:57.314
Several years ago,

812
00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:57.939
remember people,

813
00:29:57.940 --> 00:30:00.618
I've been around podcasts and seeing now going on 10 years,

814
00:30:00.642 --> 00:30:01.462
it'd be 10 years,

815
00:30:01.837 --> 00:30:02.657
May of next year,

816
00:30:03.025 --> 00:30:03.806
that I've done this.

817
00:30:04.064 --> 00:30:06.157
When I started nine and a half years ago,

818
00:30:06.485 --> 00:30:07.860
all of this stuff you have now,

819
00:30:08.407 --> 00:30:09.251
Versailles,

820
00:30:09.282 --> 00:30:10.564
which I'm shooting on right now,

821
00:30:11.189 --> 00:30:11.517
you know,

822
00:30:11.673 --> 00:30:12.376
Descript,

823
00:30:12.485 --> 00:30:14.251
none of that stuff even existed.

824
00:30:14.407 --> 00:30:16.110
There wasn't even any platforms.

825
00:30:16.556 --> 00:30:18.136
for podcasters they have to go to.

826
00:30:18.397 --> 00:30:19.497
We're using Logic Pro X,

827
00:30:19.797 --> 00:30:21.919
which is not set up for podcasting.

828
00:30:21.958 --> 00:30:23.239
It's set up for musicians.

829
00:30:23.336 --> 00:30:24.700
Now we got DAWS,

830
00:30:24.997 --> 00:30:29.981
which is a digital audio workstation that is suited for nothing but podcasters.

831
00:30:30.278 --> 00:30:32.715
So all of this stuff wasn't available to us.

832
00:30:33.075 --> 00:30:34.262
Now within the last couple of years,

833
00:30:34.575 --> 00:30:36.028
AI has become prominent.

834
00:30:36.434 --> 00:30:42.684
And there are some companies that is taking very wide advantage of it and they charging of the yin-yang.

835
00:30:43.048 --> 00:30:44.530
Cap Show is one of them.

836
00:30:44.630 --> 00:30:48.073
They charge you $100 a month if you want to use their service.

837
00:30:48.393 --> 00:30:49.093
That's out there.

838
00:30:49.456 --> 00:30:49.616
Now,

839
00:30:49.675 --> 00:30:51.714
here's my problem with it because they were saying,

840
00:30:51.776 --> 00:30:52.136
hey,

841
00:30:52.675 --> 00:30:53.636
AI now is here.

842
00:30:53.682 --> 00:30:55.823
It can help you do your underwriting,

843
00:30:56.057 --> 00:31:00.042
which in podcast underwriting is your titles and your show notes and all that kind of stuff.

844
00:31:00.401 --> 00:31:01.901
Don't you want to save time?

845
00:31:02.042 --> 00:31:03.964
But when the first early models came out,

846
00:31:04.026 --> 00:31:06.886
it was just like that dude I just told you about writing an artist.

847
00:31:07.073 --> 00:31:08.667
My podcast name is True Crime,

848
00:31:08.761 --> 00:31:10.042
Authors and Extraordinary People.

849
00:31:10.504 --> 00:31:13.727
today's episode was about digital AI,

850
00:31:13.848 --> 00:31:15.248
what it's doing in the music space.

851
00:31:15.510 --> 00:31:17.072
I need you to write me show notes.

852
00:31:17.311 --> 00:31:18.869
I need you to give me 10 titles.

853
00:31:19.190 --> 00:31:19.471
Boom.

854
00:31:19.932 --> 00:31:20.971
That's all AI generated.

855
00:31:21.112 --> 00:31:22.916
Nothing I said is in there.

856
00:31:23.276 --> 00:31:24.580
There is no human interaction.

857
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:25.002
Now,

858
00:31:25.158 --> 00:31:26.197
did it spit something out for me?

859
00:31:26.401 --> 00:31:26.596
Yep.

860
00:31:26.877 --> 00:31:27.846
Did I refuse to use it?

861
00:31:28.002 --> 00:31:28.565
Absolutely.

862
00:31:28.721 --> 00:31:29.330
Because I'm like,

863
00:31:29.705 --> 00:31:31.408
the thing doesn't even know what my show's about.

864
00:31:31.549 --> 00:31:33.190
I just told it what to give me,

865
00:31:33.846 --> 00:31:35.408
but it only knows a concept.

866
00:31:35.643 --> 00:31:37.377
It didn't hear what I said.

867
00:31:37.580 --> 00:31:39.843
If I had a guest that didn't hear what the guest said,

868
00:31:40.082 --> 00:31:45.089
how was it able to formulate true show notes for me based on my episode?

869
00:31:45.308 --> 00:31:46.449
Then about a year and a half later,

870
00:31:46.667 --> 00:31:48.871
people like Whisper Transcribe start showing up.

871
00:31:49.269 --> 00:31:52.738
And there's a whole bunch of other ones that started coming up out the woodwork.

872
00:31:53.058 --> 00:31:54.714
And the thing that caught me was they said,

873
00:31:55.136 --> 00:31:57.746
you can use your own words.

874
00:31:58.058 --> 00:31:59.167
AI will just help you.

875
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:00.449
Now we're on to something.

876
00:32:00.808 --> 00:32:01.839
How do we do that,

877
00:32:01.949 --> 00:32:02.136
though?

878
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:02.667
OK,

879
00:32:03.511 --> 00:32:06.011
I had to upload my episode.

880
00:32:06.256 --> 00:32:07.896
And when I uploaded my episode,

881
00:32:08.276 --> 00:32:11.577
AI went through my episode and it took the key parts out of that.

882
00:32:11.659 --> 00:32:15.780
And it just wrote show notes based on what I said in my episode said.

883
00:32:15.936 --> 00:32:17.358
To test that theory,

884
00:32:17.757 --> 00:32:20.538
I had to write some show notes based off of an episode that I did.

885
00:32:21.077 --> 00:32:28.444
And I'm reading my transcript alongside what AI had written for my show notes.

886
00:32:28.647 --> 00:32:28.928
I'm like,

887
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.288
I'm with that because this is what I would say.

888
00:32:32.038 --> 00:32:33.178
Maybe I wouldn't have formulated it this way,

889
00:32:33.257 --> 00:32:34.788
but these are using my words.

890
00:32:35.088 --> 00:32:36.549
It's telling you about my guests.

891
00:32:36.848 --> 00:32:38.589
It's telling you what my guests was saying.

892
00:32:38.889 --> 00:32:40.491
It's telling you what I said.

893
00:32:40.831 --> 00:32:42.589
It actually took feature quotes.

894
00:32:42.889 --> 00:32:48.354
So it took certain different quotes that I said or that my guests said or whoever was on the podcast said that

895
00:32:48.729 --> 00:32:50.690
AI thought was relevant and would hear hard.

896
00:32:51.026 --> 00:32:55.729
I find that ethical now because AI just helped me shape my show notes.

897
00:32:56.120 --> 00:32:58.151
But AI did not write my show notes.

898
00:32:58.417 --> 00:33:04.042
It was written based off of an episode that I had to upload to AI.

899
00:33:04.356 --> 00:33:05.238
and just basically say,

900
00:33:05.379 --> 00:33:06.080
refine this.

901
00:33:06.382 --> 00:33:08.105
That is human interaction.

902
00:33:08.709 --> 00:33:10.631
everybody's using it across the globe.

903
00:33:10.991 --> 00:33:15.454
If you knew how much time it took just to do one podcast episode,

904
00:33:15.817 --> 00:33:17.661
you would totally understand.

905
00:33:17.919 --> 00:33:23.700
It would take hours just to write the perfect show notes because all of that has to be good in the algorithm.

906
00:33:23.802 --> 00:33:26.450
So that moves me back over to the music side of things.

907
00:33:26.669 --> 00:33:28.653
That same thing I disagree with the music.

908
00:33:29.216 --> 00:33:32.138
If you're just sitting down writing a prompt and that's it,

909
00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:33.872
there is no human interaction.

910
00:33:34.091 --> 00:33:35.075
You shouldn't be on there.

911
00:33:35.450 --> 00:33:36.997
In the cases of Naya Monet though,

912
00:33:37.013 --> 00:33:37.138
be

913
00:33:37.529 --> 00:33:38.129
Gail King,

914
00:33:38.189 --> 00:33:38.569
who she,

915
00:33:38.649 --> 00:33:42.310
I don't know why she's even talking because if you're going to get somebody to do these interviews,

916
00:33:42.311 --> 00:33:42.810
a lot of people,

917
00:33:42.811 --> 00:33:42.849
oh,

918
00:33:42.850 --> 00:33:43.209
go ahead,

919
00:33:43.291 --> 00:33:44.709
Queen Gail and Gail,

920
00:33:44.791 --> 00:33:45.494
you the bomb.

921
00:33:45.713 --> 00:33:45.947
Okay.

922
00:33:46.049 --> 00:33:46.213
Well,

923
00:33:46.494 --> 00:33:49.932
if you want to call somebody on for being fake or not getting where you need to get on your own,

924
00:33:50.135 --> 00:33:56.025
Gail King need to be talking because I understand she was an anchor and she was all of that long beforehand.

925
00:33:56.072 --> 00:33:57.197
But let's face the fact,

926
00:33:57.228 --> 00:33:57.478
people,

927
00:33:57.541 --> 00:34:02.932
the reason why Gail King is where she is is because she had a best friend named Oprah and she wrote Oprah's coattails.

928
00:34:03.041 --> 00:34:06.353
So I disregard a lot of things that she says because...

929
00:34:06.657 --> 00:34:07.658
As far as I'm concerned,

930
00:34:07.717 --> 00:34:10.979
she didn't exactly get where she is right now either on her own.

931
00:34:11.256 --> 00:34:12.057
But I digress.

932
00:34:12.358 --> 00:34:13.760
When it comes to La Monét,

933
00:34:13.838 --> 00:34:16.182
it was almost like she was trying to trick her.

934
00:34:16.362 --> 00:34:17.080
And I didn't like that.

935
00:34:17.416 --> 00:34:21.401
But would you show us the process that you use when you make your songs?

936
00:34:21.698 --> 00:34:21.940
Now,

937
00:34:22.284 --> 00:34:24.198
let's just say that Nicki wanted to say no.

938
00:34:24.479 --> 00:34:25.760
Then the internet would have blew up this way.

939
00:34:26.166 --> 00:34:26.401
See,

940
00:34:26.776 --> 00:34:29.635
she doing something she shouldn't be doing because she said no.

941
00:34:30.135 --> 00:34:32.041
She wouldn't show Gayle what's going on.

942
00:34:32.307 --> 00:34:33.229
But then she says,

943
00:34:33.541 --> 00:34:33.744
sure,

944
00:34:33.807 --> 00:34:34.041
Gayle,

945
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:34.948
I'll show you what I do.

946
00:34:35.389 --> 00:34:36.350
and still got criticized.

947
00:34:36.351 --> 00:34:36.791
So she said,

948
00:34:36.830 --> 00:34:37.271
go down.

949
00:34:37.272 --> 00:34:37.492
She goes,

950
00:34:37.932 --> 00:34:38.691
here's my computer.

951
00:34:38.752 --> 00:34:40.035
Here's Suno AI.

952
00:34:40.113 --> 00:34:40.996
This is what I use.

953
00:34:41.273 --> 00:34:41.695
She says,

954
00:34:41.836 --> 00:34:48.461
I sit down and I look at what I've written and the poems that I've done for and see which ones I want to make a song that day.

955
00:34:48.703 --> 00:34:49.625
Then she goes on to say,

956
00:34:49.641 --> 00:34:50.266
and after that,

957
00:34:50.664 --> 00:34:53.680
I just copy my lyrics and I'll paste my lyrics right in here.

958
00:34:54.242 --> 00:34:56.664
And then she goes down to the box and she types in,

959
00:34:56.977 --> 00:34:57.211
you know,

960
00:34:57.477 --> 00:34:57.711
R&B,

961
00:34:58.289 --> 00:34:59.633
which is what the genre is.

962
00:34:59.825 --> 00:35:00.305
With the voice,

963
00:35:00.306 --> 00:35:01.607
it sounded like soulful voice.

964
00:35:01.687 --> 00:35:02.508
And so Gayle King,

965
00:35:02.727 --> 00:35:04.450
she was just telling somebody at school,

966
00:35:04.649 --> 00:35:04.770
oh,

967
00:35:04.828 --> 00:35:07.836
she's writing R&B and soulful voice.

968
00:35:08.313 --> 00:35:08.618
I'm like,

969
00:35:08.633 --> 00:35:09.813
we can see what she's writing.

970
00:35:09.875 --> 00:35:13.118
Why are you trying to act like this is some secret that she's saying?

971
00:35:13.141 --> 00:35:13.321
Now,

972
00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:14.118
with her process,

973
00:35:14.321 --> 00:35:15.500
I'll type in R&B,

974
00:35:16.305 --> 00:35:17.102
what the voice is doing.

975
00:35:17.289 --> 00:35:18.586
I want a soulful voice.

976
00:35:18.883 --> 00:35:20.508
If she wants it to be slow or fast,

977
00:35:20.789 --> 00:35:21.149
she says,

978
00:35:21.150 --> 00:35:22.508
and then I hit generate.

979
00:35:23.164 --> 00:35:23.571
And she goes,

980
00:35:23.586 --> 00:35:24.914
it gives you two songs.

981
00:35:25.341 --> 00:35:26.663
And she sits there and she says,

982
00:35:26.722 --> 00:35:27.925
now let me play one song.

983
00:35:27.926 --> 00:35:28.124
She goes,

984
00:35:28.125 --> 00:35:29.046
let me play the other song.

985
00:35:29.047 --> 00:35:29.464
And again,

986
00:35:29.465 --> 00:35:29.526
oh,

987
00:35:29.527 --> 00:35:30.686
you can totally see the difference.

988
00:35:30.929 --> 00:35:31.307
And she goes,

989
00:35:31.308 --> 00:35:31.909
this is what you do.

990
00:35:31.968 --> 00:35:33.190
And so Sanaya Monet says,

991
00:35:33.593 --> 00:35:35.108
I do this for hundreds of songs.

992
00:35:35.335 --> 00:35:35.468
Now,

993
00:35:35.514 --> 00:35:36.593
according to Sanaya Monet,

994
00:35:36.594 --> 00:35:38.077
she says she is putting in the work.

995
00:35:38.257 --> 00:35:39.054
Because artists saying,

996
00:35:39.077 --> 00:35:39.218
well,

997
00:35:39.219 --> 00:35:40.694
she ain't putting in no work behind this.

998
00:35:40.975 --> 00:35:41.272
She goes,

999
00:35:41.335 --> 00:35:43.975
I'm putting in the work because I'm doing this for 100 songs a day.

1000
00:35:44.335 --> 00:35:44.554
Okay,

1001
00:35:44.585 --> 00:35:45.038
that could be,

1002
00:35:45.397 --> 00:35:45.663
you know,

1003
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:46.335
a toss up.

1004
00:35:46.710 --> 00:35:47.850
Did she do the work from writing?

1005
00:35:48.007 --> 00:35:48.179
Yes,

1006
00:35:48.210 --> 00:35:48.600
she did.

1007
00:35:48.647 --> 00:35:52.054
But she didn't do any work behind the artist that's singing it.

1008
00:35:52.335 --> 00:35:54.522
And I have some problems with her process.

1009
00:35:54.833 --> 00:35:58.538
And I'm going to tell you why when I tell you about my project that I did in closing.

1010
00:35:59.096 --> 00:36:00.319
They kept ripping her apart.

1011
00:36:00.358 --> 00:36:01.940
And Gayle King was all like,

1012
00:36:02.178 --> 00:36:02.319
oh,

1013
00:36:02.401 --> 00:36:02.999
you got to go.

1014
00:36:03.038 --> 00:36:03.522
You got to go.

1015
00:36:03.678 --> 00:36:04.639
Because she was like,

1016
00:36:05.085 --> 00:36:05.725
I feel that

1017
00:36:06.085 --> 00:36:07.546
Zanaya Monet is an extension of me.

1018
00:36:08.186 --> 00:36:08.827
And Gayle King's like,

1019
00:36:08.866 --> 00:36:09.006
well,

1020
00:36:09.030 --> 00:36:10.006
she could be an extension of you,

1021
00:36:10.030 --> 00:36:11.327
but you can't sing.

1022
00:36:11.702 --> 00:36:11.905
Now,

1023
00:36:12.092 --> 00:36:13.671
my question would have been,

1024
00:36:13.717 --> 00:36:13.827
see,

1025
00:36:13.905 --> 00:36:15.186
Gayle King don't want to interview me.

1026
00:36:15.686 --> 00:36:16.561
Because I would have been like,

1027
00:36:17.077 --> 00:36:18.499
how do you know I can't sing?

1028
00:36:18.889 --> 00:36:20.311
Nicki just gave up the ghost right away.

1029
00:36:20.405 --> 00:36:20.655
Yeah,

1030
00:36:20.717 --> 00:36:20.842
yeah,

1031
00:36:20.905 --> 00:36:21.514
I can't sing.

1032
00:36:22.041 --> 00:36:22.882
Even if I couldn't sing,

1033
00:36:22.902 --> 00:36:23.242
I'd be like,

1034
00:36:23.322 --> 00:36:24.985
how do you know I can't sing?

1035
00:36:25.565 --> 00:36:26.307
But I would have been like,

1036
00:36:26.308 --> 00:36:29.670
but you accuse people of not being able to sing that you don't know about.

1037
00:36:29.951 --> 00:36:31.990
Just like this guy I'm telling about who walks on YouTube.

1038
00:36:31.991 --> 00:36:34.014
He says everybody can't sing.

1039
00:36:34.451 --> 00:36:35.475
They can't play an instrument,

1040
00:36:35.476 --> 00:36:36.256
so they use AI.

1041
00:36:36.334 --> 00:36:40.959
What if I told you there's a guy that uses AI right now to get his songs out because his wife died?

1042
00:36:41.147 --> 00:36:41.928
When his wife died,

1043
00:36:41.929 --> 00:36:43.084
he was a prominent musician.

1044
00:36:43.428 --> 00:36:44.678
He could sing in the whole nine.

1045
00:36:44.865 --> 00:36:45.740
After his wife died,

1046
00:36:45.787 --> 00:36:47.772
something happened to him and he lost his voice.

1047
00:36:48.149 --> 00:36:49.450
He said when AI came along,

1048
00:36:49.470 --> 00:36:53.433
he was able to share his songs again in voice since he can no longer sing them.

1049
00:36:53.796 --> 00:36:55.335
What if I tell you on your iPhone,

1050
00:36:55.378 --> 00:37:00.105
there is a mode in settings that will allow you to record your voice in AI.

1051
00:37:00.605 --> 00:37:01.823
The more hours you give it,

1052
00:37:01.824 --> 00:37:02.261
the better.

1053
00:37:03.081 --> 00:37:05.573
And if anything ever happens to your voice,

1054
00:37:05.870 --> 00:37:08.136
your phone will be able to talk for you.

1055
00:37:08.464 --> 00:37:11.152
So you need to have a voice print to get into your bank account.

1056
00:37:11.495 --> 00:37:13.558
If you need to talk to somebody on the telephone,

1057
00:37:13.902 --> 00:37:15.636
AI is built into your phone to do that.

1058
00:37:15.995 --> 00:37:16.917
Nobody listens to these things,

1059
00:37:16.964 --> 00:37:17.120
though.

1060
00:37:17.277 --> 00:37:17.402
So.

1061
00:37:18.129 --> 00:37:18.769
In closing,

1062
00:37:19.150 --> 00:37:23.868
let me tell you what I have a problem with when it comes to Zanaya Monet's workflow.

1063
00:37:24.271 --> 00:37:26.228
I'm also going to tell you this right here,

1064
00:37:26.275 --> 00:37:26.673
right now.

1065
00:37:26.853 --> 00:37:28.189
There's things I don't agree with AI,

1066
00:37:28.212 --> 00:37:31.712
which I'm about to tell you what it is right now when I tell you about my production flow.

1067
00:37:32.032 --> 00:37:32.329
Also,

1068
00:37:32.775 --> 00:37:35.478
AI is very dangerous and can be if you allow it to be so.

1069
00:37:35.650 --> 00:37:39.509
There is things going on in China right now I won't have time to talk about.

1070
00:37:39.868 --> 00:37:42.587
There's people making AI so it feels like a human.

1071
00:37:43.009 --> 00:37:44.087
there's people that's making

1072
00:37:44.601 --> 00:37:48.524
Live dolls that react like humans supposedly has feelings.

1073
00:37:48.845 --> 00:37:49.868
I get all of that.

1074
00:37:50.208 --> 00:37:53.212
But in the realm that we're talking about in the music world right now,

1075
00:37:53.368 --> 00:37:54.868
music is about a connection.

1076
00:37:55.032 --> 00:37:56.595
It isn't really about who's singing it.

1077
00:37:56.954 --> 00:37:59.478
It's not really about where the voice came from.

1078
00:37:59.837 --> 00:38:01.860
It's about a connection to a song.

1079
00:38:02.376 --> 00:38:10.220
And the reason why Zariah Monet has 1.3 plus million listeners a month is because I've listened to her album and it connects.

1080
00:38:10.613 --> 00:38:11.875
Whether it's an AI voice or not,

1081
00:38:11.935 --> 00:38:15.498
I can feel everything that's being said in the songs that she's releasing.

1082
00:38:15.818 --> 00:38:17.260
And if nobody would have ever told me,

1083
00:38:17.600 --> 00:38:19.760
I would have never known that she was an AI voice.

1084
00:38:20.166 --> 00:38:25.986
Just like all these people that's criticizing her and the Velvet Sundown and everyone else that's an artist.

1085
00:38:26.385 --> 00:38:28.291
Unless you was told,

1086
00:38:28.463 --> 00:38:29.416
you wouldn't believe it either.

1087
00:38:29.510 --> 00:38:30.026
Matter of fact,

1088
00:38:30.354 --> 00:38:31.807
somebody on the video that I was watching said,

1089
00:38:31.854 --> 00:38:31.979
oh,

1090
00:38:32.072 --> 00:38:37.541
I listened to Zaya Monet and I loved her until I found out she was AI.

1091
00:38:37.635 --> 00:38:38.057
But wait.

1092
00:38:38.257 --> 00:38:40.658
But you loved Zanaya Monet before you found that out though,

1093
00:38:40.678 --> 00:38:40.898
right?

1094
00:38:41.238 --> 00:38:43.758
There was something about her music that connected with you.

1095
00:38:44.160 --> 00:38:44.879
You felt it.

1096
00:38:45.160 --> 00:38:45.918
Because some people was like,

1097
00:38:45.957 --> 00:38:46.242
oh man,

1098
00:38:46.680 --> 00:38:47.437
I was feeling it.

1099
00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:49.961
And I could feel everything that she was saying until

1100
00:38:50.383 --> 00:38:51.461
I found out she was AI.

1101
00:38:51.797 --> 00:38:52.883
If you connected with it,

1102
00:38:53.664 --> 00:38:54.320
what did it matter?

1103
00:38:54.648 --> 00:38:54.836
Now,

1104
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:56.664
I won't say she's not because she is.

1105
00:38:56.695 --> 00:38:57.945
She's making millions of dollars.

1106
00:38:57.946 --> 00:39:01.461
She got signed to a $3 million contract.

1107
00:39:01.664 --> 00:39:02.789
It takes five,

1108
00:39:02.790 --> 00:39:06.445
I think it's like 567,000 listens a month.

1109
00:39:07.149 --> 00:39:09.232
to even generate $4,000.

1110
00:39:09.872 --> 00:39:10.712
You only get paid,

1111
00:39:10.972 --> 00:39:11.132
what,

1112
00:39:11.331 --> 00:39:12.874
0.3 cents from

1113
00:39:13.534 --> 00:39:15.495
Spotify for a stream,

1114
00:39:15.558 --> 00:39:16.737
so no one's really getting rich,

1115
00:39:16.956 --> 00:39:18.441
but something connected.

1116
00:39:18.761 --> 00:39:19.003
Now,

1117
00:39:19.081 --> 00:39:21.581
if you go look at her profile on iTunes,

1118
00:39:21.582 --> 00:39:22.566
where you can buy her album,

1119
00:39:22.925 --> 00:39:24.573
people's giving her one stars,

1120
00:39:24.902 --> 00:39:26.761
talking about some A.I.'s trash,

1121
00:39:27.089 --> 00:39:28.792
and the album need to be removed.

1122
00:39:29.089 --> 00:39:30.027
But before then,

1123
00:39:30.089 --> 00:39:32.933
these same people was giving Zania Monáe five stars,

1124
00:39:33.261 --> 00:39:35.620
saying what an excellent song it was.

1125
00:39:35.925 --> 00:39:40.367
saying the album was off the charts because music is about a connection.

1126
00:39:40.527 --> 00:39:41.206
My project,

1127
00:39:41.347 --> 00:39:43.066
I have a project that's out right now,

1128
00:39:43.386 --> 00:39:44.148
at least part of it,

1129
00:39:44.304 --> 00:39:45.484
and it's partially AI.

1130
00:39:45.585 --> 00:39:46.663
Here's why I say partially.

1131
00:39:47.031 --> 00:39:48.828
Every lyric that you get was written by me.

1132
00:39:49.226 --> 00:39:56.343
My transcript was severely uploaded and I tweaked all the lyrics to an album that is called The Witch Hunt of Lanny Hughes.

1133
00:39:56.734 --> 00:39:56.968
Now,

1134
00:39:57.265 --> 00:39:59.468
if you know anything about me and listen to my podcast,

1135
00:39:59.469 --> 00:40:01.484
you know I had another podcast called We Are Not Afraid.

1136
00:40:01.765 --> 00:40:02.890
I just closed that out.

1137
00:40:03.241 --> 00:40:06.023
Because we're done with the whole thing that was going on over there.

1138
00:40:06.324 --> 00:40:10.707
I was defending my friend LaDonna Humphrey and a lot of things transpired in the year.

1139
00:40:11.051 --> 00:40:12.574
So one day after listening to all this,

1140
00:40:12.629 --> 00:40:13.832
I was sitting back and I'm like,

1141
00:40:14.012 --> 00:40:16.254
I want an original way to respond to this.

1142
00:40:16.613 --> 00:40:17.699
Something that's just fun.

1143
00:40:18.098 --> 00:40:20.996
Maybe just something for me and LaDonna to sit back on and say,

1144
00:40:21.105 --> 00:40:21.262
hey,

1145
00:40:21.355 --> 00:40:23.762
this was the time we got through this.

1146
00:40:25.277 --> 00:40:28.340
And this is something I wanted to do just because it would be fun.

1147
00:40:28.465 --> 00:40:29.746
So I sat back and I'm like,

1148
00:40:30.074 --> 00:40:31.012
what if I wrote an album?

1149
00:40:31.043 --> 00:40:31.996
What if I wrote some songs?

1150
00:40:32.393 --> 00:40:33.615
I do know people in the music industry.

1151
00:40:33.616 --> 00:40:35.796
I have an uncle that's been in the industry for more than 30 years.

1152
00:40:36.056 --> 00:40:36.777
I didn't call him,

1153
00:40:36.878 --> 00:40:38.019
but I call some other people and say,

1154
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:38.238
hey,

1155
00:40:38.640 --> 00:40:43.343
what would be the quickest ethical way just to make a fun little album right now in the modern day?

1156
00:40:43.687 --> 00:40:43.945
I said,

1157
00:40:44.007 --> 00:40:44.164
no,

1158
00:40:44.165 --> 00:40:45.304
we used to do it back in the day.

1159
00:40:45.305 --> 00:40:45.546
You know,

1160
00:40:45.586 --> 00:40:48.695
I have to go find some singers or I'm going to sing whatever.

1161
00:40:49.367 --> 00:40:49.867
I'm a drummer.

1162
00:40:49.868 --> 00:40:51.945
Got to find some other musicians going to a studio,

1163
00:40:52.507 --> 00:40:53.367
lay the tracks down,

1164
00:40:53.461 --> 00:40:54.992
cost thousands of dollars to do.

1165
00:40:56.211 --> 00:40:56.632
Dude's like,

1166
00:40:56.804 --> 00:40:57.382
have you heard of AI?

1167
00:40:57.586 --> 00:40:58.554
I'm like,

1168
00:40:58.632 --> 00:40:58.867
yeah,

1169
00:40:58.868 --> 00:40:59.461
I heard of AI,

1170
00:40:59.476 --> 00:41:00.586
but I'm not quite with it.

1171
00:41:00.905 --> 00:41:02.287
Because the fact that for one,

1172
00:41:02.288 --> 00:41:03.469
it's not very popular right now.

1173
00:41:03.527 --> 00:41:04.008
And for two,

1174
00:41:04.449 --> 00:41:06.308
you're just telling a computer what to generate.

1175
00:41:06.652 --> 00:41:07.191
And my friend like,

1176
00:41:07.192 --> 00:41:07.312
no,

1177
00:41:07.313 --> 00:41:07.633
you ain't.

1178
00:41:07.933 --> 00:41:08.312
He says,

1179
00:41:08.371 --> 00:41:09.254
you are a musician.

1180
00:41:09.613 --> 00:41:09.894
You know,

1181
00:41:09.957 --> 00:41:10.894
music composition.

1182
00:41:11.254 --> 00:41:12.738
You know how to write music.

1183
00:41:12.918 --> 00:41:14.238
You know what to tell it to do.

1184
00:41:14.621 --> 00:41:14.902
He said,

1185
00:41:14.903 --> 00:41:19.926
the only reason why people is hating on it is because there's people that's making these songs and they don't know anything they're doing.

1186
00:41:19.927 --> 00:41:20.129
He goes,

1187
00:41:20.160 --> 00:41:24.473
but you can curve everything you want from the genre down to the feel.

1188
00:41:24.863 --> 00:41:26.004
If you write the prompts right.

1189
00:41:26.144 --> 00:41:26.566
So I'm like,

1190
00:41:26.613 --> 00:41:27.691
hmm.

1191
00:41:27.707 --> 00:41:27.957
I said,

1192
00:41:28.004 --> 00:41:28.613
I'll look into this.

1193
00:41:28.691 --> 00:41:29.035
So I do.

1194
00:41:29.717 --> 00:41:30.879
The Witch on Lainey Hughes,

1195
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:31.719
the fun little project,

1196
00:41:31.720 --> 00:41:32.461
it started one night,

1197
00:41:33.762 --> 00:41:35.305
and I have all the prompts that I have.

1198
00:41:35.422 --> 00:41:37.906
Here is the problem I have with Anaya Monáe that I did not do.

1199
00:41:38.523 --> 00:41:42.711
If you listen to what I said about how Nicki says she does her thing,

1200
00:41:43.047 --> 00:41:44.531
she just drops her lyrics in,

1201
00:41:45.312 --> 00:41:47.492
and then she proceeds to tell Chad GPT,

1202
00:41:48.742 --> 00:41:48.976
R&B,

1203
00:41:49.633 --> 00:41:51.101
female should be the singer,

1204
00:41:51.476 --> 00:41:52.601
slow or fast,

1205
00:41:52.914 --> 00:41:53.336
that's it.

1206
00:41:53.523 --> 00:41:55.195
Even though there is human interaction,

1207
00:41:55.539 --> 00:41:57.242
because she did write the lyrics,

1208
00:41:57.577 --> 00:41:59.721
There's not much human interaction in that prompt.

1209
00:41:59.861 --> 00:42:01.023
If you see my prompt,

1210
00:42:01.123 --> 00:42:01.723
first of all,

1211
00:42:02.164 --> 00:42:04.910
I wrote the titles to all my songs.

1212
00:42:05.172 --> 00:42:05.371
Okay,

1213
00:42:05.473 --> 00:42:07.879
none of my songs were AI generated.

1214
00:42:08.242 --> 00:42:09.784
when it comes to a title.

1215
00:42:10.144 --> 00:42:13.609
None of my songs was AI generated when it comes to a lyric.

1216
00:42:13.929 --> 00:42:14.949
Everything else is.

1217
00:42:15.269 --> 00:42:15.449
Now,

1218
00:42:15.710 --> 00:42:16.511
what I wanted to do,

1219
00:42:16.769 --> 00:42:19.433
because the other thing that the music industry is not telling you too is this.

1220
00:42:19.652 --> 00:42:21.074
Since we recorded this song,

1221
00:42:21.191 --> 00:42:22.777
we're the owner of the song.

1222
00:42:22.839 --> 00:42:22.956
Now,

1223
00:42:23.019 --> 00:42:25.191
here is the drawback if you own the song or not.

1224
00:42:25.316 --> 00:42:26.285
If you're writing with Suno,

1225
00:42:26.535 --> 00:42:32.831
Suno says in their terms of service that you own the song if you are a part of one of their paid plans.

1226
00:42:33.128 --> 00:42:34.706
I think it costs like 10 bones a month.

1227
00:42:35.003 --> 00:42:36.206
If you own the free plan,

1228
00:42:36.644 --> 00:42:37.550
then you cannot

1229
00:42:37.854 --> 00:42:38.815
you don't own the song.

1230
00:42:38.895 --> 00:42:41.957
The rights of the song that you write belongs directly to Suno.

1231
00:42:42.379 --> 00:42:43.762
You cannot download it.

1232
00:42:44.219 --> 00:42:44.699
And if you do,

1233
00:42:44.700 --> 00:42:46.840
you can only use it for personal situations.

1234
00:42:47.145 --> 00:42:48.801
You cannot upload it for commercial gain.

1235
00:42:49.129 --> 00:42:50.426
If you pay in their pay plan,

1236
00:42:50.887 --> 00:42:57.348
you own the rights to any song that you have written as long as you were a member of Suno.

1237
00:42:57.832 --> 00:43:00.363
So that means if I decide to leave Suno tomorrow,

1238
00:43:00.551 --> 00:43:06.598
all the songs in my album that I've already written still belong to me because I was a member of Suno at the time.

1239
00:43:06.910 --> 00:43:07.890
that I wrote this song.

1240
00:43:08.031 --> 00:43:09.310
But if you see my prompt,

1241
00:43:09.470 --> 00:43:10.771
my prompt is very,

1242
00:43:11.009 --> 00:43:11.951
very detailed.

1243
00:43:12.111 --> 00:43:16.029
Here's a song called this need to be narrative mode.

1244
00:43:16.373 --> 00:43:17.912
This is the story of,

1245
00:43:18.076 --> 00:43:19.833
and I give all the particulars,

1246
00:43:20.154 --> 00:43:20.373
right?

1247
00:43:20.435 --> 00:43:24.341
So this is the story of how this all began.

1248
00:43:24.701 --> 00:43:24.998
When

1249
00:43:25.419 --> 00:43:28.451
Lainey first got the phone call from Jerry,

1250
00:43:28.951 --> 00:43:30.013
this is what happened.

1251
00:43:30.357 --> 00:43:31.779
This is your whole narrative.

1252
00:43:32.013 --> 00:43:32.763
And then at the end of that,

1253
00:43:32.841 --> 00:43:33.216
I said,

1254
00:43:33.810 --> 00:43:35.404
Choose the text below.

1255
00:43:35.858 --> 00:43:36.719
for the lyrics.

1256
00:43:36.879 --> 00:43:43.366
So what I just did is I took all of the work away from ChatGPT and I just asked it in so many words,

1257
00:43:43.709 --> 00:43:45.030
here's my concept.

1258
00:43:45.326 --> 00:43:46.850
I just want you to help me hone it,

1259
00:43:47.186 --> 00:43:49.233
which is what a lot of your artists is doing right now.

1260
00:43:49.553 --> 00:43:50.834
There's artists right now that says,

1261
00:43:50.912 --> 00:43:54.272
I take all my lyrics and double them into ChatGPT and say,

1262
00:43:55.209 --> 00:43:57.053
help me refine these lyrics.

1263
00:43:57.334 --> 00:43:58.787
Now it doesn't really change the lyrics.

1264
00:43:59.006 --> 00:44:00.428
It may add a couple of words here or there,

1265
00:44:00.459 --> 00:44:01.756
but it's refining his lyrics.

1266
00:44:02.147 --> 00:44:02.537
Same thing,

1267
00:44:02.569 --> 00:44:04.569
but everything that's there was human generated.

1268
00:44:04.830 --> 00:44:06.412
Because you wouldn't have the lyrics if it wasn't for me.

1269
00:44:06.712 --> 00:44:09.533
I'm also going to tell it where is the speaking parts.

1270
00:44:09.674 --> 00:44:12.557
Use this at the top of the song verbatim.

1271
00:44:12.939 --> 00:44:13.916
I'll write that part out.

1272
00:44:14.221 --> 00:44:18.361
So like there is a song on my album called The Tale of Two Podcasters.

1273
00:44:18.603 --> 00:44:19.346
And here's how you get.

1274
00:44:19.361 --> 00:44:23.861
If you ever listen to my album and if you ever question if I wrote the lyrics,

1275
00:44:24.236 --> 00:44:24.908
send me an email.

1276
00:44:25.283 --> 00:44:30.471
And I will point you to the episode that that particular song came from.

1277
00:44:30.742 --> 00:44:33.645
along with the transcript so you can see for a fact that it's mine.

1278
00:44:33.786 --> 00:44:35.106
But the tale of two podcasters,

1279
00:44:35.126 --> 00:44:39.653
you have no reason to think it's not mine because of how it starts out.

1280
00:44:39.654 --> 00:44:49.356
It starts out with me actually as my character in this album because I've changed all the names of people introducing an episode of the podcast.

1281
00:44:49.544 --> 00:44:55.153
That particular song indeed did come from that particular episode and we are not afraid.

1282
00:44:55.263 --> 00:44:56.810
So I'm ending,

1283
00:44:56.825 --> 00:44:57.888
I'm guiding it with the music.

1284
00:44:58.234 --> 00:44:59.535
Here's how fast it should be.

1285
00:44:59.615 --> 00:45:01.217
And I'm getting to a BPM.

1286
00:45:01.418 --> 00:45:01.777
Here's how,

1287
00:45:02.078 --> 00:45:02.316
you know,

1288
00:45:02.317 --> 00:45:04.019
140 BPMs or whatever.

1289
00:45:04.121 --> 00:45:05.101
Here's how fast it should be.

1290
00:45:05.363 --> 00:45:07.183
Here's the key the song needs to be in.

1291
00:45:07.605 --> 00:45:09.824
Here's the artist that I need to have.

1292
00:45:09.847 --> 00:45:10.910
If it's going to be a duet,

1293
00:45:11.004 --> 00:45:11.605
man or woman,

1294
00:45:11.606 --> 00:45:12.668
if it's going to be just a woman,

1295
00:45:13.012 --> 00:45:13.527
a woman.

1296
00:45:13.972 --> 00:45:14.933
Here's the feel.

1297
00:45:15.371 --> 00:45:16.855
Here's what I want in the chorus.

1298
00:45:17.168 --> 00:45:18.887
Here's the swells up and down.

1299
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:20.574
Here's how the ending should be.

1300
00:45:20.871 --> 00:45:21.730
You see what I'm doing?

1301
00:45:21.871 --> 00:45:23.652
All of this is now human generated.

1302
00:45:24.074 --> 00:45:26.324
I'm just asking ChatGPT or Suno.

1303
00:45:26.758 --> 00:45:29.681
to help me refine my idea.

1304
00:45:30.741 --> 00:45:31.062
People say,

1305
00:45:31.063 --> 00:45:31.183
well,

1306
00:45:31.202 --> 00:45:33.202
how come it's a country?

1307
00:45:33.284 --> 00:45:33.663
First of all,

1308
00:45:33.664 --> 00:45:35.366
if you know anything about genres of music,

1309
00:45:36.468 --> 00:45:37.531
I don't care who you are,

1310
00:45:38.046 --> 00:45:44.999
you have to admit that country is one of the best genres of music in the world for storytelling.

1311
00:45:45.452 --> 00:45:47.077
And it always has been that way.

1312
00:45:47.374 --> 00:45:47.906
We've had,

1313
00:45:48.093 --> 00:45:49.093
I think maybe one,

1314
00:45:49.234 --> 00:45:49.702
maybe two,

1315
00:45:49.796 --> 00:45:50.687
but I know one,

1316
00:45:51.140 --> 00:45:52.577
I ain't supposed to say his name no more,

1317
00:45:52.578 --> 00:45:54.343
but we have one successful hip hopper.

1318
00:45:54.782 --> 00:45:56.344
that never even got finished,

1319
00:45:56.364 --> 00:45:57.645
and that was trapped in the closet.

1320
00:45:57.806 --> 00:46:05.491
But all your other storyteller songs has always been kind of in that country-type genre and feel.

1321
00:46:05.835 --> 00:46:08.975
So then they want you to generate a photo of an artist.

1322
00:46:08.999 --> 00:46:09.116
Now,

1323
00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:11.874
on my profile right now,

1324
00:46:12.296 --> 00:46:15.624
it has the album cover as the artist's photo.

1325
00:46:16.061 --> 00:46:16.499
But people say,

1326
00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:16.936
well,

1327
00:46:17.061 --> 00:46:19.593
why would you generate someone that's going to be like a white female?

1328
00:46:19.608 --> 00:46:19.733
Well,

1329
00:46:19.734 --> 00:46:23.890
the white female that is singing these songs is supposed to be based on...

1330
00:46:24.226 --> 00:46:24.746
somebody.

1331
00:46:25.107 --> 00:46:28.847
So since that person isn't black or Mexican or Asian,

1332
00:46:29.226 --> 00:46:30.948
no other option but for it to be white.

1333
00:46:31.308 --> 00:46:38.210
So this is based off of somebody in real life that is supposed to be singing these songs if they could sing these songs.

1334
00:46:38.366 --> 00:46:40.968
I'll have to figure out who that's supposed to be if you're questioning.

1335
00:46:40.969 --> 00:46:44.671
But this is the difference I say between myself,

1336
00:46:45.124 --> 00:46:45.734
Naya Monet,

1337
00:46:46.671 --> 00:46:47.952
and the Velvet Sundown.

1338
00:46:47.953 --> 00:46:49.030
Now the Velvet Sundown,

1339
00:46:49.374 --> 00:46:50.890
they just came out and told you directly,

1340
00:46:51.109 --> 00:46:51.312
hey,

1341
00:46:51.530 --> 00:46:52.359
we are AI.

1342
00:46:52.554 --> 00:46:52.875
They said,

1343
00:46:52.915 --> 00:46:54.937
this is a project is AI generated.

1344
00:46:55.078 --> 00:46:56.623
Everything you hear is AI.

1345
00:46:56.861 --> 00:46:58.904
So there was no question.

1346
00:46:59.006 --> 00:47:04.377
And they still get 230,000 listeners or 222,000 listeners.

1347
00:47:05.460 --> 00:47:12.160
And if you go to my profile that is on my Spotify profile that you can read if you go to Spotify,

1348
00:47:12.363 --> 00:47:17.020
I also directly tell you flat out that Sableheart,

1349
00:47:17.363 --> 00:47:20.082
which is the name of the female character,

1350
00:47:20.145 --> 00:47:26.262
because you have to give them a character name and all that kind of stuff when you go to distribute these things.

1351
00:47:26.543 --> 00:47:27.106
and they tell you,

1352
00:47:27.121 --> 00:47:27.246
hey,

1353
00:47:27.262 --> 00:47:28.403
you can be anybody you want to be.

1354
00:47:28.871 --> 00:47:29.153
So yeah,

1355
00:47:29.154 --> 00:47:29.809
we give them a name.

1356
00:47:29.965 --> 00:47:30.746
But my profile,

1357
00:47:30.747 --> 00:47:32.246
I'm going to read you what my profile says.

1358
00:47:32.590 --> 00:47:33.824
Sable Heart is synthetic.

1359
00:47:34.192 --> 00:47:40.439
Music art is driven by human creative direction and is voiced and visualized with the help of AI.

1360
00:47:40.759 --> 00:47:41.478
All characters,

1361
00:47:41.540 --> 00:47:41.958
stories,

1362
00:47:42.040 --> 00:47:42.357
music,

1363
00:47:42.419 --> 00:47:42.763
voices,

1364
00:47:42.802 --> 00:47:49.169
and lyrics are original creations with assistance by artificial intelligence tools used as a creative instrument.

1365
00:47:49.466 --> 00:47:50.521
Everything you hear,

1366
00:47:50.646 --> 00:47:54.739
from the concept to how the music is shaped to the tone of each song,

1367
00:47:55.177 --> 00:47:57.239
even down to the way Sable sounds,

1368
00:47:57.552 --> 00:47:58.771
is 100%

1369
00:47:59.333 --> 00:47:59.724
human.

1370
00:48:00.318 --> 00:48:02.427
any resemblance to actual places,

1371
00:48:02.505 --> 00:48:02.802
events,

1372
00:48:02.803 --> 00:48:03.927
or persons living or dead.

1373
00:48:04.196 --> 00:48:06.616
or deceased is purely coincidental and unintentional.

1374
00:48:07.057 --> 00:48:08.477
I'm telling you exactly what it is.

1375
00:48:08.556 --> 00:48:08.716
Now,

1376
00:48:09.056 --> 00:48:10.497
the same guy I'm telling you about I listen to,

1377
00:48:11.036 --> 00:48:11.317
he goes,

1378
00:48:11.356 --> 00:48:15.778
I feel it's funny that these AI artists have always got to say what part is 100%

1379
00:48:15.817 --> 00:48:16.122
human.

1380
00:48:16.255 --> 00:48:16.419
Well,

1381
00:48:16.481 --> 00:48:19.497
that's because we have to do that because that's the part you're honing in on,

1382
00:48:19.536 --> 00:48:19.802
ain't it?

1383
00:48:20.223 --> 00:48:20.614
Otherwise,

1384
00:48:20.615 --> 00:48:23.973
you're trying to say that all of this stuff is created by AI.

1385
00:48:24.208 --> 00:48:24.317
Now,

1386
00:48:24.318 --> 00:48:25.942
if I got an award for one of my songs,

1387
00:48:25.958 --> 00:48:27.567
do I feel like I should get the award?

1388
00:48:27.927 --> 00:48:28.239
Yeah,

1389
00:48:28.567 --> 00:48:29.380
let me tell you why.

1390
00:48:29.661 --> 00:48:31.442
Because I told AI what to do.

1391
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:33.598
I didn't just say write a pop song.

1392
00:48:34.104 --> 00:48:34.224
Oh,

1393
00:48:34.584 --> 00:48:36.164
from the feel of my album,

1394
00:48:36.625 --> 00:48:39.283
and you can hear it consistently all the way through the lyrics.

1395
00:48:39.807 --> 00:48:42.588
Very personal album because the stuff in here is real life.

1396
00:48:42.908 --> 00:48:46.283
That's why it's called The Witch of Lenny Hughes based on a true story.

1397
00:48:46.666 --> 00:48:49.565
The introduction kind of explains to you that going in.

1398
00:48:49.791 --> 00:48:49.908
Now,

1399
00:48:49.909 --> 00:48:51.612
if you don't want me to get singer's credit,

1400
00:48:51.955 --> 00:48:52.205
cool.

1401
00:48:52.393 --> 00:48:53.612
But here is my plan for that.

1402
00:48:53.908 --> 00:48:57.346
I have all the stems I planned on before I even released it.

1403
00:48:57.362 --> 00:48:58.487
I was going to take the stems.

1404
00:48:58.549 --> 00:49:00.143
I was going to go find me a couple of artists,

1405
00:49:00.315 --> 00:49:00.549
you know,

1406
00:49:00.565 --> 00:49:02.112
maybe my daughter because she can sing.

1407
00:49:02.332 --> 00:49:02.833
And I was going to say,

1408
00:49:02.873 --> 00:49:02.993
hey,

1409
00:49:03.033 --> 00:49:04.314
can y'all sing these songs?

1410
00:49:04.675 --> 00:49:05.916
Here's what I want with the AI voice,

1411
00:49:05.957 --> 00:49:06.117
though.

1412
00:49:06.597 --> 00:49:09.558
I was able to shape Sable and Dustin.

1413
00:49:09.781 --> 00:49:11.039
Dustin is the man in here.

1414
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.304
To sound the way I wanted them to sound.

1415
00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:20.093
To have the feeling I wanted them to have and display to the audience with each lyric.

1416
00:49:20.437 --> 00:49:21.624
I couldn't do that with the human.

1417
00:49:21.718 --> 00:49:21.874
Now,

1418
00:49:21.890 --> 00:49:23.078
I probably could have went and said,

1419
00:49:23.546 --> 00:49:24.874
I need you to put more grit.

1420
00:49:25.187 --> 00:49:26.343
But you're not going to get what you want.

1421
00:49:26.671 --> 00:49:26.968
Also,

1422
00:49:27.437 --> 00:49:29.015
I want to point this out since people's like,

1423
00:49:29.437 --> 00:49:30.812
working with humans should be easy.

1424
00:49:31.236 --> 00:49:35.442
And we don't know why you ain't working with humans and all this kind of stuff.

1425
00:49:35.641 --> 00:49:36.199
One guy says,

1426
00:49:36.281 --> 00:49:38.965
I understand that working with humans is hard.

1427
00:49:39.145 --> 00:49:40.168
The answer to that is,

1428
00:49:40.543 --> 00:49:40.762
yeah,

1429
00:49:41.043 --> 00:49:41.668
it's hard,

1430
00:49:41.989 --> 00:49:43.348
but that's not why you won't work with them.

1431
00:49:43.668 --> 00:49:44.629
It costs a lot of money.

1432
00:49:44.973 --> 00:49:46.114
It takes a lot of time.

1433
00:49:46.410 --> 00:49:49.567
Let me just tell you what you have to do if you want to drop an album like this.

1434
00:49:49.832 --> 00:49:52.957
I would have had to get a hold of a producer other than me.

1435
00:49:53.410 --> 00:49:55.426
I'd have to get a hold of a producer that has a studio.

1436
00:49:55.817 --> 00:49:59.551
I have to find out what his hourly ratings or if he is a one lump sum.

1437
00:49:59.942 --> 00:50:00.692
Let's just see.

1438
00:50:01.052 --> 00:50:01.892
Because I'm telling you,

1439
00:50:02.232 --> 00:50:05.571
the money is made in the production and editing of any work,

1440
00:50:05.794 --> 00:50:06.552
any podcast,

1441
00:50:06.653 --> 00:50:06.833
right?

1442
00:50:07.114 --> 00:50:08.872
You can get charged by the hour one song.

1443
00:50:08.895 --> 00:50:09.430
So let's just say,

1444
00:50:09.516 --> 00:50:09.837
man,

1445
00:50:09.891 --> 00:50:10.016
bro,

1446
00:50:10.032 --> 00:50:10.516
I know you.

1447
00:50:10.571 --> 00:50:13.196
I'm going to charge you $5,000 for the whole project.

1448
00:50:13.352 --> 00:50:13.571
All right.

1449
00:50:13.572 --> 00:50:14.993
So now I got the studio and the producer.

1450
00:50:15.032 --> 00:50:16.634
That's $5,000.

1451
00:50:16.635 --> 00:50:19.610
Now I need two singers that can sing country.

1452
00:50:19.813 --> 00:50:21.095
Don't really care who you is,

1453
00:50:21.454 --> 00:50:24.845
but you got to be able to sing country and be able to hit the notes in which

1454
00:50:25.876 --> 00:50:27.173
I have written these songs in.

1455
00:50:27.391 --> 00:50:29.563
Now I got to find a female and a male.

1456
00:50:29.673 --> 00:50:30.532
I got to pay them.

1457
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:30.920
Now,

1458
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:33.543
depending on how high they are up on their caliber,

1459
00:50:33.662 --> 00:50:36.727
meaning if they're just a nobody who's just trying to get known,

1460
00:50:37.106 --> 00:50:38.106
I may get away with them.

1461
00:50:38.188 --> 00:50:38.309
OK,

1462
00:50:38.469 --> 00:50:38.586
look,

1463
00:50:38.587 --> 00:50:39.250
I'll give you 50,

1464
00:50:39.251 --> 00:50:40.086
100 bucks an hour.

1465
00:50:40.430 --> 00:50:42.430
Or if you just come singing this project,

1466
00:50:42.453 --> 00:50:44.196
I'll give you $500 for the whole project.

1467
00:50:44.414 --> 00:50:46.133
If you're just trying to get your name out there,

1468
00:50:46.134 --> 00:50:47.055
they're going to say,

1469
00:50:47.102 --> 00:50:47.211
OK,

1470
00:50:47.383 --> 00:50:47.571
cool,

1471
00:50:47.649 --> 00:50:48.274
we'll go for that.

1472
00:50:48.477 --> 00:50:51.742
But if I get somebody that's been a backup singer before,

1473
00:50:52.008 --> 00:50:53.117
they've been in the studio,

1474
00:50:53.758 --> 00:50:55.024
they know what they're doing,

1475
00:50:55.336 --> 00:50:57.227
that puts the price up higher.

1476
00:50:57.242 --> 00:50:58.727
They may come in and be like,

1477
00:50:58.930 --> 00:50:59.055
look,

1478
00:50:59.086 --> 00:50:59.289
man,

1479
00:51:00.476 --> 00:51:01.297
We're going to go five,

1480
00:51:01.458 --> 00:51:03.200
six hundred an hour or

1481
00:51:03.919 --> 00:51:05.403
I'll do the whole project for,

1482
00:51:05.422 --> 00:51:05.743
you know,

1483
00:51:06.403 --> 00:51:06.520
10K.

1484
00:51:06.942 --> 00:51:08.325
Let's say I get two of those.

1485
00:51:08.387 --> 00:51:08.528
Now,

1486
00:51:08.926 --> 00:51:10.583
let's just go to the highest point.

1487
00:51:10.645 --> 00:51:13.192
Let's say I get two of those and they say the same thing.

1488
00:51:13.348 --> 00:51:15.848
And I really want this to be a top notch caliber project.

1489
00:51:15.887 --> 00:51:18.778
That's twenty thousand dollars now that I got in singers.

1490
00:51:19.075 --> 00:51:20.215
This is not far fetched.

1491
00:51:20.216 --> 00:51:21.044
It all depends.

1492
00:51:21.340 --> 00:51:23.356
It can go from one hundred dollars up.

1493
00:51:23.700 --> 00:51:24.044
All right.

1494
00:51:24.075 --> 00:51:25.044
So I feel OK,

1495
00:51:25.153 --> 00:51:25.762
I could do that.

1496
00:51:26.356 --> 00:51:28.450
And now if I go extra hours.

1497
00:51:28.764 --> 00:51:28.904
Now,

1498
00:51:29.024 --> 00:51:30.345
under that $5,000,

1499
00:51:30.425 --> 00:51:31.847
dude ain't just going to be here all day.

1500
00:51:32.068 --> 00:51:32.667
He's going to be like,

1501
00:51:32.687 --> 00:51:32.886
okay,

1502
00:51:32.887 --> 00:51:36.351
this is going to be $5,000 and you got eight hours to do this.

1503
00:51:36.652 --> 00:51:41.777
So that means I got to start and stop the project in eight hours.

1504
00:51:42.136 --> 00:51:43.738
I'll have everything right.

1505
00:51:44.058 --> 00:51:45.706
Everything has to be done,

1506
00:51:46.081 --> 00:51:46.628
recorded.

1507
00:51:47.080 --> 00:51:47.641
finished.

1508
00:51:47.642 --> 00:51:49.303
That's just the recording process.

1509
00:51:49.643 --> 00:51:53.145
We ain't talked about now he has to go in and edit and master this.

1510
00:51:53.484 --> 00:51:53.746
Now,

1511
00:51:53.988 --> 00:51:55.992
some students will throw all that into one price.

1512
00:51:56.328 --> 00:51:57.469
Maybe this guy's different.

1513
00:51:57.750 --> 00:52:00.977
If you want me to edit and master your project now,

1514
00:52:01.336 --> 00:52:05.516
that may cost you another $2,500 because the money is in that.

1515
00:52:05.594 --> 00:52:05.719
Now,

1516
00:52:05.766 --> 00:52:07.234
he's got to go through each track.

1517
00:52:07.266 --> 00:52:09.656
He's got to make sure they're pitch accurate.

1518
00:52:09.688 --> 00:52:11.469
He's got to make sure it sounds good.

1519
00:52:11.891 --> 00:52:14.266
He's got to make sure there ain't no notes He needs to punch in,

1520
00:52:14.313 --> 00:52:14.984
punch out,

1521
00:52:15.266 --> 00:52:16.172
all this kind of thing.

1522
00:52:16.496 --> 00:52:16.676
Now,

1523
00:52:16.716 --> 00:52:17.577
on top of that,

1524
00:52:17.657 --> 00:52:17.878
though,

1525
00:52:18.198 --> 00:52:20.300
do I really get out of here in eight hours?

1526
00:52:20.501 --> 00:52:22.200
If you're perfectionist like I am in the studio,

1527
00:52:22.521 --> 00:52:23.263
I may be 10,

1528
00:52:23.321 --> 00:52:23.942
12 hours.

1529
00:52:24.524 --> 00:52:31.493
I have spent time in studios before where I'm the drummer in a band I'm playing with because I've been in the studio from 6 a.m.

1530
00:52:31.853 --> 00:52:32.892
to 6 p.m.

1531
00:52:32.970 --> 00:52:34.610
because I wasn't leaving until it's done.

1532
00:52:34.876 --> 00:52:40.595
All of that is money that the production company that I was with or whoever was over the band,

1533
00:52:41.017 --> 00:52:42.345
they was paying this guy.

1534
00:52:42.692 --> 00:52:43.432
So they're like,

1535
00:52:43.452 --> 00:52:43.673
hey,

1536
00:52:43.793 --> 00:52:45.272
my drummer David's going to come in.

1537
00:52:45.393 --> 00:52:47.175
He's only going to be here for four hours.

1538
00:52:47.374 --> 00:52:49.014
And I'm here over 12 hours.

1539
00:52:49.315 --> 00:52:50.053
That's extra money.

1540
00:52:50.452 --> 00:52:53.854
There's also cutting this dude out of time because let's just say that he thought out.

1541
00:52:54.237 --> 00:52:55.651
There's no producers that ever do this,

1542
00:52:55.698 --> 00:52:55.839
right?

1543
00:52:55.854 --> 00:52:57.839
If you're really working with a band with an album,

1544
00:52:57.995 --> 00:53:02.518
I believe that you should set all that time aside just for that band because you know what's going to happen.

1545
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:04.753
But there are some cats that's trying to double dip.

1546
00:53:05.112 --> 00:53:05.596
So they're like,

1547
00:53:05.940 --> 00:53:06.237
cool.

1548
00:53:06.612 --> 00:53:08.956
David the drummer is going to be here four hours.

1549
00:53:09.221 --> 00:53:10.518
He should be out by 10.

1550
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:16.084
I'm going to book Drayton over here to come in and get his project on the way from 1015 on.

1551
00:53:16.506 --> 00:53:16.647
Well,

1552
00:53:16.744 --> 00:53:19.612
David's still sitting in the studio at 1015.

1553
00:53:20.010 --> 00:53:21.994
So now he's got to tell Drayton,

1554
00:53:22.049 --> 00:53:22.190
hey,

1555
00:53:22.252 --> 00:53:22.448
man,

1556
00:53:22.471 --> 00:53:23.955
I'm running a little long on the session.

1557
00:53:24.330 --> 00:53:25.494
Don't know what to get to you today.

1558
00:53:25.932 --> 00:53:26.252
Sorry.

1559
00:53:26.674 --> 00:53:26.901
Now,

1560
00:53:27.338 --> 00:53:31.526
that cost him money because let's just say Drayton was coming in at 500 an hour.

1561
00:53:31.557 --> 00:53:32.588
That just cost 500 an hour.

1562
00:53:32.604 --> 00:53:34.557
So now my production has got to come in and say,

1563
00:53:34.651 --> 00:53:34.869
well,

1564
00:53:34.948 --> 00:53:36.619
since David's still sitting here,

1565
00:53:36.666 --> 00:53:38.229
you need to pony up some more money.

1566
00:53:38.494 --> 00:53:39.651
This is how production works.

1567
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:40.921
So it's not that easy.

1568
00:53:41.402 --> 00:53:43.445
Even if you write a song and you can go and say,

1569
00:53:43.503 --> 00:53:43.663
hey,

1570
00:53:43.704 --> 00:53:44.624
this is what I want to hear.

1571
00:53:44.945 --> 00:53:47.925
It's not as easy as going to get a human just to come up and do it.

1572
00:53:48.066 --> 00:53:48.886
Everybody wants money.

1573
00:53:48.925 --> 00:53:50.394
I understand that you got to be paid for your craft.

1574
00:53:50.488 --> 00:53:50.847
Got it.

1575
00:53:51.230 --> 00:54:01.441
But there is very famous who I won't name musicians right now that has made statements that said this easier to write with AI because they don't have to worry about time constraints.

1576
00:54:01.769 --> 00:54:04.191
They don't have to worry about people's personal schedules.

1577
00:54:04.566 --> 00:54:06.691
They don't have to worry about if you're going to show up.

1578
00:54:06.944 --> 00:54:09.327
All they got to do is write these lyrics and drop it in.

1579
00:54:09.347 --> 00:54:10.609
They got a voice ready to sing it.

1580
00:54:10.847 --> 00:54:15.374
And this is from people in the industry right now that has been in the industry for 20,

1581
00:54:15.452 --> 00:54:16.093
30 years,

1582
00:54:16.351 --> 00:54:17.757
that is making tons of money.

1583
00:54:18.117 --> 00:54:19.077
And this is what they're doing.

1584
00:54:19.195 --> 00:54:19.913
Last thing I'll say,

1585
00:54:20.234 --> 00:54:20.413
yes,

1586
00:54:20.460 --> 00:54:22.062
what Timberland is doing is trash.

1587
00:54:22.218 --> 00:54:24.663
And the reason I say that is because his new

1588
00:54:26.085 --> 00:54:26.742
A.I. artist,

1589
00:54:26.788 --> 00:54:27.038
Tata,

1590
00:54:27.445 --> 00:54:30.429
he's starting with opening up a wing of his record label for A.I.

1591
00:54:30.507 --> 00:54:30.804
artists.

1592
00:54:31.054 --> 00:54:31.242
OK,

1593
00:54:31.523 --> 00:54:31.835
get it.

1594
00:54:31.936 --> 00:54:32.897
because everybody's doing it.

1595
00:54:32.898 --> 00:54:36.779
But he's the first one who wants to come out with an AR artist exclusively for his record label.

1596
00:54:37.123 --> 00:54:45.310
The reason why I say it's trash is because he recently stole a beat from this independent cat and uploaded it to the student of AI and is using it for Tata.

1597
00:54:45.771 --> 00:54:46.849
When Timberland was caught,

1598
00:54:46.873 --> 00:54:47.974
because I saw a whole

1599
00:54:48.427 --> 00:54:49.568
YouTube video about it,

1600
00:54:49.849 --> 00:54:51.599
the dude was proving to you that it was his beat.

1601
00:54:52.193 --> 00:54:54.255
They show him mixing the beat live.

1602
00:54:54.552 --> 00:54:55.537
And he was just like,

1603
00:54:55.584 --> 00:54:55.740
look,

1604
00:54:55.802 --> 00:54:56.052
man,

1605
00:54:56.255 --> 00:54:57.959
I've been a Timberland fan my whole life.

1606
00:54:58.536 --> 00:55:00.298
All he had to do was reach out and say,

1607
00:55:00.399 --> 00:55:00.518
bro,

1608
00:55:00.778 --> 00:55:01.899
I really love this beat.

1609
00:55:02.259 --> 00:55:03.102
I want to use it.

1610
00:55:03.103 --> 00:55:03.442
He goes,

1611
00:55:03.841 --> 00:55:07.407
maybe I would even let him use it for free just for the recognition.

1612
00:55:07.524 --> 00:55:07.985
Just say,

1613
00:55:08.087 --> 00:55:08.384
you know,

1614
00:55:08.829 --> 00:55:10.587
beat brought to you by whoever,

1615
00:55:10.712 --> 00:55:10.969
you know,

1616
00:55:11.071 --> 00:55:11.907
give me the credit.

1617
00:55:12.251 --> 00:55:14.071
But you just outright stole it.

1618
00:55:14.415 --> 00:55:16.149
When they cornered Timbaland on it,

1619
00:55:16.446 --> 00:55:18.680
he tried to blame it on Ghostface Killer.

1620
00:55:18.977 --> 00:55:19.118
Well,

1621
00:55:19.196 --> 00:55:20.602
Ghostface Killer wanted the beat,

1622
00:55:20.618 --> 00:55:21.696
so he the one that took it.

1623
00:55:21.805 --> 00:55:21.915
No,

1624
00:55:22.165 --> 00:55:23.384
you the one that uploaded it.

1625
00:55:23.696 --> 00:55:25.884
And he didn't feel sorry about it.

1626
00:55:26.180 --> 00:55:27.305
And he's not relinquishing it.

1627
00:55:27.620 --> 00:55:30.203
But now the music companies is yelling at AI artists,

1628
00:55:30.222 --> 00:55:32.925
but now you got an artist who's filthy rich,

1629
00:55:33.265 --> 00:55:33.988
who's made it,

1630
00:55:34.308 --> 00:55:37.847
who's stealing other people's beats and uploading it to Suno.

1631
00:55:38.253 --> 00:55:46.246
The same thing that music industry is trying to say is happening with AI right now that they're using people's copyrighted works that does not belong to them.

1632
00:55:46.730 --> 00:55:48.231
What did Timberland just do?

1633
00:55:48.630 --> 00:55:49.411
The same thing.

1634
00:55:52.071 --> 00:55:52.650
So guys,

1635
00:55:52.712 --> 00:55:54.310
thank you for listening to this one.

1636
00:55:54.353 --> 00:55:55.091
I'm going to say this.

1637
00:55:55.193 --> 00:55:56.989
If you want to check out my album,

1638
00:55:57.255 --> 00:55:58.732
the album comes out on the

1639
00:55:59.310 --> 00:56:00.411
16th. It is the 11th.

1640
00:56:00.412 --> 00:56:01.232
I'm recording this.

1641
00:56:01.513 --> 00:56:02.114
The single,

1642
00:56:02.497 --> 00:56:03.255
How It All Began,

1643
00:56:03.286 --> 00:56:03.974
is already out.

1644
00:56:03.975 --> 00:56:04.708
It came on the 9th.

1645
00:56:05.068 --> 00:56:10.443
I will leave you the links of both of them in the description of the show notes here if you want to check out that project.

1646
00:56:10.771 --> 00:56:11.161
However,

1647
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:11.880
I'm going to say this.

1648
00:56:11.974 --> 00:56:13.193
I'm unapologetic about it.

1649
00:56:13.738 --> 00:56:15.520
I created everything there is around there except for,

1650
00:56:15.560 --> 00:56:15.720
yes,

1651
00:56:15.740 --> 00:56:17.824
the voice and the instruments is

1652
00:56:18.163 --> 00:56:18.984
AI generated.

1653
00:56:19.222 --> 00:56:23.410
It has been distributed to all of the major streaming services.

1654
00:56:23.652 --> 00:56:32.355
And I do have accounts that does pay me royalties on streamers because I did actually write the actual way the AI did it.

1655
00:56:32.496 --> 00:56:33.871
And according to all of these entities,

1656
00:56:33.964 --> 00:56:34.792
including BMI,

1657
00:56:34.917 --> 00:56:36.105
because it's human interaction,

1658
00:56:36.183 --> 00:56:37.746
it is a copyrightable work.

1659
00:56:37.917 --> 00:56:39.058
So I have copyrighted it.

1660
00:56:39.527 --> 00:56:39.917
However,

1661
00:56:40.105 --> 00:56:40.777
check that out.

1662
00:56:41.121 --> 00:56:42.980
And I don't know if I would do another AI.

1663
00:56:43.358 --> 00:57:10.767
thing i do have a project in the works where i'll actually be singing on there but we'll see because i'm that's fun for me i'm fun i was able to shape that voice sable came out sounding like i wanted her to sing you you got the grit that i wanted you to get you got the feeling that i wanted to get behind each song so it's gonna be interesting to see where ai goes but remember i'm gonna repeat it again the record industry is hypocritical because some of the biggest names of this game you is using ai right now and your ears just don't know it you just trust it because it's bonding the lights you

1664
00:57:10.838 --> 00:57:11.679
It's the weekend,

1665
00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:12.379
but you don't know,

1666
00:57:12.420 --> 00:57:15.121
even though he's saying that he got a lot of AI elements up into there.

1667
00:57:15.442 --> 00:57:16.262
Just keep that in mind.

1668
00:57:16.403 --> 00:57:16.645
All right.

1669
00:57:16.703 --> 00:57:17.106
Once again,

1670
00:57:17.164 --> 00:57:17.406
people,

1671
00:57:17.465 --> 00:57:18.524
thank you for this fun one.

1672
00:57:19.008 --> 00:57:21.188
I'll have a author for you next week.

1673
00:57:21.406 --> 00:57:26.016
So I thank you guys for tuning in and listening to this episode.

1674
00:57:26.071 --> 00:57:28.492
Let me know what you do think about

1675
00:57:29.102 --> 00:57:29.977
AI and music.

1676
00:57:30.274 --> 00:57:31.446
Do you think it has a place?

1677
00:57:31.742 --> 00:57:32.352
What do you think?

1678
00:57:32.446 --> 00:57:34.321
Do you think it's really going to take over the humans?

1679
00:57:34.649 --> 00:57:36.446
Let me know what you think.

1680
00:57:36.742 --> 00:57:36.982
All right.

1681
00:57:37.002 --> 00:57:37.263
Once again,

1682
00:57:37.303 --> 00:57:38.083
thank you for joining us today.

1683
00:57:38.144 --> 00:57:40.685
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1684
00:57:40.728 --> 00:57:47.790
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1685
00:57:48.095 --> 00:57:51.720
Be good to yourself and each other and always remember,

1686
00:57:52.056 --> 00:57:53.095
always stay humbled.

1687
00:57:53.376 --> 00:57:55.580
An act of kindness can make someone's day.

1688
00:57:55.908 --> 00:57:58.283
A little love and compassion can go a long way.

1689
00:57:58.501 --> 00:58:02.111
And remember that there is an extraordinary person in all of us.

1690
00:58:02.455 --> 00:58:04.095
I'll catch you guys on the next one.

1691
00:58:08.370 --> 00:58:09.531
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1692
00:58:09.611 --> 00:58:10.012
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1693
00:58:10.092 --> 00:58:10.933
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1699
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