The Lemon Pound Cake Trial: Inside Afro Man’s Battle For Freedom

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, before we jump into the days case, let me let you guys know where I have been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not disappeared right at the end of February, we didn't even get to finish our February Black History Month facts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling them to do about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As life has it, life always has some ups and downs and some things to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that project you can hear right now on the new audio book for the book Wall Street Mafia by Ben Skull.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, I want to say thank you to Ben.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't thank him enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to your boy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On top of that, right after that happened though, there's been a lot of things going on with work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I may find myself laid off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's been a lot of things happening at the home front that I've had to take care of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where I've been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I apologize, but life has been life thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, sometimes you've got to take care of things first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you do believe in God like I do, I ask you to pray for me and my family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are going through a rough time right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know and believe we will come out of it, unscathed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What am I going to do about the Black History Facts?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Black History Month is over, but there is two facts that I did need to bring you guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think is very important, so I'm going to loop them into episodes somewhere down the line here, and I will point out that these were the two facts that we're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also want to say happy women's month to all of my women listeners out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is no good man that it has success without having a strong woman behind him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you to all of the women, especially the ones in my life, my female best friends, my wife, my daughters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so you probably saw the title this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You already knew I hadn't come and talk about this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For a lot of reasons, everybody is talking about this case now, but I always wait a few days later than everybody else to see if there's going to be new developments, so I don't have to double back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though I did wait and there was a new development doesn't mean that a sub one I'm having to double back and give you more to this case, because this case just keeps

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[SPEAKER_00]: versus the Adam County Police Department.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, let me just say this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Afro Man is the East Palmdale Boy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's from where I am.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I did not even really know that Alpha Man was really touring anymore until this came up in my YouTube timeline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that he's been going around locally, but I did not know that he was going on tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just recently did something like, guess at the time, we're back in those days, three years ago with Snoop Dogg.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's still making his rounds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And did not even know that he had a house or he was even living in Ohio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought that he was living here because I for man is very proud to be from East Palmdale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably one of the performers with the big name that has put the town I live in on the map.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can tell you that I first heard an Afro man back in like 20, 20

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because of the fact that I was a club DJ, I was one of the number one DJs in college town being Lafayette Indiana at that time, there's a place called Really Brothers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, at that time, Afro-Man was really well known for his song, those who came a hit called, because I got high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was playing that in the club.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the end, he said, my name is Afro-Man, and I'm from East Palmdale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my exact thing that I said was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two weeks later, I had to meet in my wife who lives in all places, he's Palmdale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just a little back here should be in Afro Man, but let me just tell you, this case was a doozy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There may be some things that I say that in my opinion and that I thought was good, that you guys may not like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna clean this right now, I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna call it down in the middle what it was and still from the looks of things, what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this case is out there man, you know, you got lawsuits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got music and you got one of the most unexpected legal battles in recent memory a lot of people are saying that This was the dumbest Court case or lawsuit ever in life so I had to write down a bunch of notes on this one guys cuz it's moving

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[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, as I said, we're talking about out for man and how a police raid on his home turned into a viral musical saga, and then it visually became a lawsuit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's rewind back to August 21st, 2022.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Police officers and Adams County Ohio show up at Afro Man's House with a search warrant, a no-knock warrant at that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the twist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, they don't find anything that leads to charges.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stand what they do is they find themselves on camera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because Afro-Man has security footage running throughout his entire house, not just outside, but also inside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They all got caught.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So basically, let's back up a little bit and feel this in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How did Afro-Man even find himself in the situation where the Adam County Sheriff's apartment is rating his house on a no-knock one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a woman who was a crack adding, who I guess got herself in some problems, and decided to lie on Afro-Man upon her rest to get herself

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[SPEAKER_00]: She told these officers that out from man not only had a huge stash of narcotics in his house, mostly weed, but that he also had kidnapping victims that he was hiding in the dungeon of his house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot make this up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, here is where people started saying racism, and I'm sorry, I'm going to have to agree on this because of how this went down and later on through this case, maybe you agree too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, unless there's some cases, I don't know because I don't know every case in the world, only know the cases in which I've covered, and then I've looked into.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in all of the cases that I've covered in any case that I've looked into, they had anything to do with the raid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where somebody's saying, hey, this house right here, they've got a whole bunch of drugs, they kidnapping people, they traffic him folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have never seen where the cops just take one word, they go, okay, let's go to a judge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The judge actually signs the warrant and they go in somebody's house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This judge was nothing to do with this because he knew he was wrong, because if you watch any

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[SPEAKER_00]: No matter how fake some of the things is, but there are some things in these shows that they do get right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of them that they get right is when your prosecutor goes to a judge and says, your honor, I need a warrant for this person because it's said that he's kidnapped somebody in the basement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The judge starts going down through a list of questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right you know how do you know what evidence do you have can you prove this if I give you this warrant what you're going to come back with right so there's questions so the judge knows he's signing a good word because if he signs the bad word that goes on him and now it makes everybody look stupid apparently this judge in Afroman's case asked no questions they just showed

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[SPEAKER_00]: We even told Afro-Man has got all this weed in his house and he's got kidnapped and victims in his dungeon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need this word.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just just signs the word.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the funny thing is, Afro-Man don't even have a dungeon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he may have a basement, but what I've seen in the house, he doesn't really have an upstairs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But where's the dungeon?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they this went off of word from one person who was addicted to crack, who was high at the time, who decided to say, after man was doing all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now that the officers break into the house, they're getting recorded, we've got all these officers searching a home and not knowing at the time that they're being recorded and they didn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: His affirmer was about to make a whole bunch of content out of the things that was going on in his house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, most of us,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to fall some complaints, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will be mad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We won't want to see the sheet to teeth and the shirt for everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will go file complaints.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our firmman says, skip the complaints.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go right to the people in the audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just going to drop some songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is, our firmman just didn't drop one song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He turned his whole entire situation into a musical album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know how I missed this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he made a whole album that was called Lemon Power Key.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the songs were inspired by the raid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's some for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will you help me repair my door?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He released that day way 2023.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lemon pound cake released the same year a month and a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why you disconnected my video camera?

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[SPEAKER_00]: January 2023 offers a pound cake released early in 2023.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These were the songs that were not similar at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they included actual footage from the raid of his house, officer searching his drawers looking through belongings, even reacting to items inside his house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was raw, it was unfiltered, and it went viral.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here is the thing!

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[SPEAKER_00]: My man was, nothing was, he was saying was wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was like, let me ask you a question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you fart in a kidnap and victim and my soup pockets?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause they went calming through, combing through his soup pockets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you gonna look through his soup pockets for a kidnap and victim?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many hundred thousand pounds a week and you hide in the suit call in the suit pocket?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'd go ask that you find the thousand pounds a week in my CDs because they're flipping through his CDs remind you the warrant was because he had a whole bunch of narcotics that was stashed and he had kidnapping victims with neither one of these things would be in CDs or suit

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[SPEAKER_00]: after me did all of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you ask him, he says that he made these songs because when he went to the Adams County Sheriff's and said, are you going to help me prepare my door?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matter of fact, he has one of the officers that night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to help me put my door back on the hinges?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, he was all smurking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Marvel said, like, he don't do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he said, he'd need to write these songs, put them out, make an album so that he can get the money to fix his door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When they asked out for man how much money did he get back, he said, I didn't even get back 24,000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For what I know, it caused out for man over 20,000 just to fix his door in his gate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the reason why the song is, why you disconnected my video cameras, it's because an officer named Lisa decided to cut the camera

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[SPEAKER_00]: That she says she was a student to do by her command and officer and he really took off on her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can remember I put this in dope, but I see this now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he wrote a song called Lickham Low Lisa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't use your imagination to where that's all's about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't play any other songs really out here because wave one for Copyright and two because this is a family friendly show, a cell for probably, uh, when you come and repair my door, that would I probably could pay a good play because it's, it's clean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you use your imagination on what look them low, Lisa actually meant because it was not

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the twist was in March, 2023, but one of the officers involved in the raid filed a lawsuit against Afro Man, real name Joseph Forman, their claims were invasion of privacy on authorized use of their likeness Emotional Distress.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they decided to argue that the footers, especially used in music videos, crossed the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even though they were doing their jobs, they didn't consent to becoming part of a public monetized music project.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, far too, you might, what was Afroman's side of that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He maintained that the footage was from his own home security system inside his private property

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[SPEAKER_00]: You broke into his house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They knocked him the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I for man wouldn't even at home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Neither was his family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, I think, 65 miles away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was coming back from Chicago somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just got through doing a gig with all this went down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually sitting in his car looking at his video cameras on his phone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, I think he's even got in a drink or a coffee or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was sitting in this car watching these police officers

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any time you go into somebody's personal private space, whatever they have on you, that's theirs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's been other people that use these things for sinister problems or reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, shampoo becomes, you know, he was videotaping everybody doing the freak thing and they use that against the McCourt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But...

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is people's houses you go to that says, hey, when you walk on these premises, you are being recorded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a thing inside my door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you walk up to my door, you will automatically be recorded by my rain camera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anything that I see there, anything that you do, you dance on a jig, that's my private property.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been told that you'd be recorded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These cops went into his house on a no-lock war, no warning, no due diligence, no searching and anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he had the right to use that footage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now, those of us on the internet, well, the internet does with the internet does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People started picking sides, you know, some saw that this was our artistic expression, turning a stress with situation, maybe into a creative output.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Other people questioned whether it crossed ethical or legal boundaries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But one thing was totally clear and undeniable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Afroman turned a police raid into a content empire almost overnight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, defamation was also part of the suit and here's why because after man was making claims like that one officer was a pedophile and that one officer's wife was convicted of stealing from her job now here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is defamation and the standard of U.S. law?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Deformation is when one person says something about someone else that can hurt them in their business or personal life, that is not true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Afro Man shows up and backs his stuff up, it's no longer a deformation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just saying, the judge assigned to work on what to do with the he will make no appearance he ain't saying nothing none of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that I could probably see that after man would have lost deformation if they would assume correctly, probably would have been when it came to the officer named Lisa, because in the song he wrote about her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's making broad claims like let me see if I can keep this family friendly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was he was with other women and she likes to do things to other women and may reference this to piece of that he did that she did things with Afro man's wife.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These those things could be definition of character because he would have to be able to prove that all those things happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's where they would do them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think that they could have been a separate case for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also think that when they came to the officer that he was saying was a pedophile because his brother was one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he could have probably sued for that deformation and maybe got something out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they all seven sued Afroman at one time and one major big lawsuit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's their problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to look at the whole of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the situation between the seven of them found the lawsuit to determine if defamation of character really happened among these other things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they kind of screwed themselves on that situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if I was an isolated man, he out here saying that I'm with all these other women, and I do these things, it's called some stress.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to individual lawsuit with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they even told you in the trial, in their attorney was like, you know, you got to look at all of these situations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to look at each one of them individually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you got to give them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he asked for specific stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So even the deformation, the lawyer already kept them on what they could get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think because of Lisa went through the most he says, he asked for 1.5 million for them and he asked for 1 million for a couple of other people, the lawsuit came out to a total of almost $4 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: $3.9 million is what they wanted to get all seven offices, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, all seven they get a million dollars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He starts bringing down what give them 50, give him a million, give him 1.5, give him this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all of them all that came to $4 million lawsuit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This case opens up some real questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here is the questions that it kind of opened up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this should be a lesson to all of us out here now as citizens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After a man's already done the hard work for us, he's already taken it to court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now we know what we got to learn from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing that opens up is who owns footage captured inside a private home?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do public officials lose privacy, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: La Londudi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And where is the line between art and exploitation?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you look at this, this just isn't about African anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about how technology, music, and law collide in the modern world, and bigger than all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about the first amendment and freedom of speech that affects all of us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's exactly what this case is about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's exactly what Afroman said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am a rapper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am an entertainer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I write songs about my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my first amendment right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my freedom of speech.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not lying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: According to him, the song because I got high was really about his life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All that stuff he sings about in that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was going to clean his room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was going to be with his girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was going to go to court to post me all of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really got messed up because he decided to sit around and got high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Solid Bob and Jay was even in that video when it debuted years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you rating his house, you giving him false charges or wanted to make false charges, that's not a part of his life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any after the right to write songs about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you really look at it from his song because I got high to now courtroom headlines out from him once again proved he moves to his own rhythm no matter the situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me know what you guys think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some of these songs are different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, limit pound cake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That song is funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was done through the two number of boardwalking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, where's the definition of that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause what he said in that song really, really went going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is an officer that is now known as limit pound cake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you watched the raid footage, he was saying, look at this officer right here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing a double take on my limit pound cake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to eat like came across with gun like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he saw the pound cake he was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can't come back to the power cake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he made his call called Limit Pound Cake, which as you part of could imagine, people started trolling them, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess the analyst Feliz de part bit or shirts of probably at least started getting deliveries of Limit Pound Cake to the office.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as a matter of fact, on the day of, at least I don't know what day it is because the trade was the trial was three days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say the way it looked at was the third day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was people actually out there handing out Limit Pound Cake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they was handing out the whole three days, but they went up to reporters and said, we got one piece left, we want you to have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me know what you guys think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So do you think that this was creative genius or did that for man go too far?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I thought it did the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're dealing with Afro-Man that isn't artists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always told people this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing you don't want to do is you don't want to mess with artists of any kind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People like me, pollcasters, I'm also a musician, I also write songs sometimes, authors, songwriters, rappers, singers, don't mess with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You might end up in a song going to episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look at Taylor Swift.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm no schifty, y'all may not like the fact, but it's true that girl's whole career guy in the spearhead of the way that it is because she was writing songs about people that she was dating in the industry, and it went viral, look at a Linna's more said, you ought to know to this day, poor Dave Cougay still haven't lived down that song, you don't

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[SPEAKER_00]: artists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may strike back at you, but it may not be physically, it may not even be legally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After a man I think had a bunch of grounds to just start soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll hear this out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to make these songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if he will got a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I'm happening to after a man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lee was March 18th, which is the final court date.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is also proves you guys how long it takes things to go through court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This happens three years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just now got to court and got done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I have to say this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You may take it ratio, but it's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like I said, I'm gonna call this down the line, what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Adam's county, not exactly all black county.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they ain't that many black people in the county.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a civil case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the civil case, it only takes 10 jurors, not 12, and you can decide a case with eight people agreeing all the same way, not all 10 needs to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They flash the camera one time in the full audience of the courtroom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I saw maybe like one black person in there in a way that courtroom was I couldn't really tell where who the drawers were from the audience, but I was assuming that the people that was directly in the middle was the jurors because on the other side I saw the seven cops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, when ever man was testified,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I already said he got this one because I saw people doing this and Bob and their head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now here's how aforementioned trod these seven Adam County police officers and I think he knew this because there was a couple of the songs that he actually dropped right before they went into court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of them was called the veteran him of the police whistleblower and I mean this

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the music he tells me that and he called it the battle ram him of the police whistleblower and the liggum low Lisa song I believe just had dropped a couple days before the court case now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is the one thing that after man already knew was gonna have to happen in court He knew because it was now evidence

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[SPEAKER_00]: And these videos and songs is the reason that the Adam County Sheriff's Department, these seven officers at least, is suing him that all of these songs was gonna have to be played in court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lickham low, Lisa, I think was 20 minutes long because he had the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he had the cutting to some things that people were saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then it cut back to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then it cut back into there's long montage where at the end, they're probably gonna leave him and Lisa ends up getting together and becoming boyfriend and girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the one thing that was interesting in the middle of that video is the girl that lied on out for man and turned him in was in the video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said that one of the officers made her do oral things to him in the back room of a police department and then brag about all the young girls that he had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what this person now that turned in, I'm a man said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, let's look at what happens in most cases like this, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've embarrassed the Adams County Sheriff's Department.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no drugs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no dungeon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no kidnapping victims.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You lied to get yourself off or to get lesser charges.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Usually, those who would get charges put on them now because they lied to use police resources.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing happened to her if Charles, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I for man takes a stand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he came up short on money, and he's just being honest, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just something he's a hate man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, this is my first amendment right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't deny that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you made these songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, sure did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, did you care of how they have can we convince you, he's like, can I convince you that you traumatized my kid?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I convince you that you should have been in my house in the first place?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, look, all of this is they fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they wouldn't rate in my house in the first place, if they wouldn't even in there, I wouldn't know them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't know they names.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There would be no songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would still have my cash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's my first amendment rate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, in one of the soup pockets that they was searching for for weed and kidnapped victims, there was an envelope and one of the soup pockets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is when you know my friend that you have too much money, because when they asked about this, he said, yes, there was $5,000 in the soup pocket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had just got back from performing with Snoop Dogg, some other people, and I forgot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that the money was in my suit pocket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said he had got high and drunk that night and forgot the money was in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now look, I don't do drugs and I very, very, very, very seldom drink.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I have a drink once every year and a half, two years, that's saying something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't look at how drunk a hire man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going members that I got $5,000 somewhere in the supermarket and I'm going to need to go find that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm maybe that's because I don't just have $5,000 does extra I can just throw around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to know that it's there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What they found this money and they bagged this money for evidence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when they bagged the money for evidence, it came up $5,000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to Afro Man, it came up $400 short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When they compared, but was in the envelope and what he got, that wasn't enough money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now here is how Adam's County screwed themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Afro Man said, well, I would have never even known that the money was short until the woman from the front desk of the police department told on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The woman told 10 or 19 news that the money was short and so on the stand out for me and said what they admitted that they stole my money now the attorney for the seven cops was on my nerves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: told him on my nerves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has dumb questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was slow and then he was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nobody admitted to you that they stole your money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you can go look at the tell 19 news for yourself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The woman said that the money was short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she said the money was short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's somebody took it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the money is short and you walked in with $5,000, you walk out $400 lighter, what does that mean to you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did the money just happen to jump up and get lays and run off?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't think that that's going to be happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, basically,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just said, hey, it's my first memory, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't planning on taking the songs down any time soon, because that was another thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he won't stop doing these songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we asked him to take him down and he won't take him down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember he was like, I ain't taking nothing down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now if he loses his lawsuit, I'm sure the judge can monitor him and say, okay, now you lost the lawsuit, you got to take all these songs down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the one thing the judge can go back and take from him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For man's already sold,

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[SPEAKER_00]: thousands of these albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all those songs, whether he wins a loses, it's going to be around for the rest of life, all the internet's going to play him whole night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm going to go to a whole test of body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Says he really started everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this first amendment right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, they have the audacity to be suing me, and I'm the person that was in convenience, and then they broke it to my house illegally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens to the end of this, let me say this, or both of these cops was crying on the stand, especially Lisa, he going around saying, I'm doing these things to other women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I ain't doing them and I guess apparently because at one segment of the song, he kind of made references to her voice and her maybe having something that is bigger than he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's put it that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you hear her talk, she sounds like a man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her voice is deeper than mine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, woo!

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so because there's like, my name is Lisa, I'm like, oh my gosh, really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now, of course, would that lead to that lead to people I guess, saying to her, or asking her, was he transgender, according to her?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She also said that people was asking her, did she have male body parts, and did she have a sex change?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, because I didn't have no sex change, I have kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, well, that's never stopped people

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what she said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's crying in the stand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're playing this whole 20 minutes song, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's crying on the stand as this song is playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the officers like I said that it cost him his marriage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that because all of this was happening, his wife decided to leave him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So guess who testified on afterman's behalf?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This cop's ex wife and said, his songs had nothing to do with why they got a divorce.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was some shady stuff happening long before this happened and the divorce is already in the works before all this even became a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, line about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's another cop that was crying because a Randy Walters, that's the other song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a song called Randy Walters is an SOB.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's about one of the, one of the cosparticularly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this, this is the other one that I could say, if they soon write, maybe they could have got some of the further information.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because in this song, he says Randy Walters is an SOB.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now that's a matter of opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then he goes on to say that he had relations with his wife and got filthy rich.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you get my drift, that could have been, okay, kind of filed, especially if the wife decided to follow him that, because obviously that's not true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it did cause some backlash because Randy Walters has an adopted child.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The adopted child that he has just so happens to be black.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So according to him, this child would I believe as a girl was going to school now and getting clowned on because people were saying that they heard the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that Afro man must be her daddy since Randy's white is he's black.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A couple of officers, they can't go in the town no more because they're they're called names and they're throwing things to thrown at them and they're gonna ask why they broke it to I from as home illegally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are things one dude even said that he had to quit working for Adam's County and moved to a whole another county be a cop because he could do his job effectively even anymore being all the things I was going around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are all the things that they were saying on the stand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now, what it really came down to is, if Apple Man was this case, it proves that freedom must be still stands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It also proves that the things that was done in his home is his private property.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could use that anyway that he wants since the police put themselves in that situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Affirmant loses the case, it's very detrimental.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first amendment takes a hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, that means any artist now, that says anything about anybody else that's the rockatory, maybe there's their opinion and unless it's a deformation, would now be able to do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That means that they would be open to be sued for anything that they say against a person even if it was a parody of a song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But before I told you the verdict was, I got to tell you this part because I found this to be kind of wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they start comparing some of these things to the songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know what his attorney was doing, but there's a couple things he said that I know he was doing this to appease to the jury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think was a little wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at one point, they're turning forward the cops because there was a lady that testified who's been teaching for 30 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was asked, did all the kids in her room here the songs?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, yes, she thinks a lot of them heard the songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she was asked, what do you think that they took these things to be literally fact or just something in the song?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, well, I think they just took the mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They was just something in the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't really take anything to be fact.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what he's trying to get to is he's trying to hone in on that part of where the officers are crying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the information.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he would have came back and said, we, you see, people didn't even know him who says living to the songs, believe that these are factual statements got a game deformation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she's like, not what they believed at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think they believed that it was exactly what it was, a song making a parody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then out of the blue, I'm watching this trial, right, because now that they came up, I watched the whole thing, I went down the right road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he asked, have you ever heard of the song,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking at this game like, why we even bring it this song a lot up because it don't got nothing to do with what's going on in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think as you said, have you ever heard of the song, WAP?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the tears like, yeah, well, then I think even the judge or somebody in the courtroom that, you know, one of the lawyers would have said that he needed to say what the whole song was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, come on with y'all, y'all know exactly what that song means.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to be pitted here, but he repeated it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He goes, okay, man, please, this is nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm only going to say this one time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And do you know the song, blue, blue, blue?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, well, do you think that's literal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or something that's just in the pen on a song, just something's a parody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, and you can look at her face because she was trying not to say the answer that I was already saying behind my screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my answer to that was, well, that depends on who the person is if that's what they believe, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That could be literal to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she said, no, no, I just think that rockers have their own opinions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Y'all don't roll them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause I said to some, I mean, that might be literal to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they may feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they put out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they may think about themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at that case, you know, maybe one of the bands, well, depending on the person, it could be literally, it could be, it could be fact, it could not be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could just be four songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you remember in that song, there's a part where Cardi B says that she don't work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She don't clean because you know, what she has is that good and her husband off sent put her on blast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He made a whole YouTube video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go, why do you lie to these people?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have Cardi B in this video, you see her sweeping the floor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: put a test for it and and and and all this in my doing why don't you lie to these people you said back here talk about some you don't cooking you don't clean well here you go she has the cooks it's your actually actually does clean so stop lying to the people and so that kind of like clear that right so that part you could say okay that part probably was not little in fact because her husband put her on blast but I don't know to whoever

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then at the end of this, now we want to quote all these dricks on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when it came down to Afro Man's Lawyer's closing arguments, and I am going to say this, that lawyer do, I would love to have him for Lawyer Vahadi problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was cool, he was good, he was poised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The judge was firing everything at him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm gonna tell you why I believe that is at the end because there's something to happen with the judge that decided over this case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything to do wanted to object to, he tried to sit him down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He tried to make things not relevant that was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he was bringing up good objections, I like he was using things, he should be using at the time, the judge like sit down, and he's doing it right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I come to find out why that is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then that he's like, you know, Mr. Foreman is an entertainer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a rapper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says things all the time, that's not literal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then he goes, if you look up rap music, he goes, I've had my assistant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: over at lunch break, pull me all these songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first thing he goes to is, in WWE, after police.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, well, you see, NA here says, after police, but they don't really mean that literally, this is just something they're saying for a song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just gonna hear going, no, my brother.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what you're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when NA put out after police, they meant everything they said in that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: literally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why there was backlash from it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like some songs that ice tea put out when they when we moved his whole entire album because what he was saying was literal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing to understand about rap music is, especially at his infancy, that's what rap music was all about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was about the lives that people living in urban areas mostly African-Americans was facing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So with the police, with racism, with brutality, we're not getting work, with the way the social world was going, okay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all not just something for a song that was fact.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was literal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you was to ask any of those members back from that day, I teach Doug D in WA, any of them that's still living, they'll tell you, oh no, we meant everywhere we said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he isn't attorney.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His job is to get his client off by any means necessary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to make them see that, hey, this wasn't really deformation folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was exactly what, you know, he was writing because what they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, do I think he missed some of that stuff literally?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I do there some things, someone there for satire?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the whole list of things, I think it's because he was mad that she deserved this camera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he knew that he wasn't going around doing the things that he said in the song and that was satire and that was all in fun, okay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I think he meant literally about limit pound cake, dude?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, you see him on tape doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he mean it literally about the guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the cop who has a brother's a pedophile?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he showed you proof of that in the video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He showed you his mug shot and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say that some things was literal and some things were not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in the end, when it all came down to it,

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[SPEAKER_00]: when it was given to the jury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The game remember our first amendment rises on the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Affirmant loses his case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of people in trouble, especially people like SNL, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Send that live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how we political here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm sure Trump will eat that up because he's been one of the most faithful and presidents ever in the history of that show and I'm sure he'd be the first one man let's get this lawsuit on out for man lost that case is open it up let's see everybody so there's a lot of thing on the line a lot of artists that just these things I mean hell even maybe weird I could get sued because when I look at this case is exactly that it's like you soon weird out for making

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there is a song where I may call word lines, which is off of the song, blurred lines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And does that go to his says?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You should never count, something I can't remember the lyrics now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, would you should never, you should never have a symbol or something like that unless your name is Prince.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was taking the direct date at Prince because Prince was asked before the use of his music and Prince said, I need to that note.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he made fun of Prince.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, think about what would happen to Prince say, I'm so aware now because he's naming a couple of his songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This would have given way into something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't like the fact that he said that I use a symbol and I can't count because I'm Prince, because I wouldn't give him the right to my songs, you honor, I won $5 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This would be the kind of things that this kind of case opens up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, throughout this case, you could tell that the judge was just eating this up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just sitting there going, he knew after man was losing this case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jury comes back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they would even have like four hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not only did Afro-Man win, he won you unanimously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it only takes eight of them to say, he wins or he loses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All 10 of them said, yeah, Afro-Man prevails, he wins, get out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the judge was not having it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could tell by the way, he read the verdict.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked at the verdict.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he went through these sheets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: 10, 12 times and make sure he was reading it right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What you understand throughout the rest of this whole trial before this verdict, he was all gung-ho He was peppy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was going to do things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was sitting people down doing hold nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then second guess anything until the verdict came in You can see him in his wheels turning oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is really it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really got announced this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I mean he way out on it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then he basically made it quick He goes you know because usually in these court for seedings the the judge like the kind of brown things out, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we had, you know, can you read the verdict and all that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he just like, I'm just going to get you the verdict right now, verdict is the verdict was in favor of the defendant that said no appeal no case closed or some of that he said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, we're going off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is why it's being said that it's a racist case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, for one, he was rated illegally to they took the word of someone that was a drug addict who was high at the time who was going on for charges who was getting herself off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did no do diligence of any kind, no follow-up, no surveillance, no anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A judge just signed off on this warrant without doing any of his own home work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When Afro-Man went to foul charges to get his gate in his door replaced, the judge dismissed all of his charges.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For God, tell you guys that, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It has come up if this is a white dude this happened to my mistake within the fixes door and his gate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably would have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This my friends is Ohio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ohio Arkansas all of those no matter who lives there and I have a very dear for who lives an Arkansas I'm going to just tell you the way that it is racist states we're down in the south it's always been this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you have a rich black man mind in his own business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of his neighbors even said, he's your little white dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, man, I live next door to Afo man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see him all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can just walk right across my yard to his.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Afo man is chill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If everybody was dismissing the fact that this had any racial things in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even after all of things I told you, if you still come and say, well, that's not racist at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here is the update.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The judge now decides that even though Alfa Man won his case, he wants to punish him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The way he decided to punish Alfa Man is that he has now made a ruling, that Alfa Man is responsible for half of the court charges, even though he won the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think at the end he said it is something that

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[SPEAKER_00]: A Peelable, which I'm sure Affirmary will be appealing if you're not familiar with how these things were if you are sued by someone and if you lose the case

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then they usually, the attorney would have usually fallen to say that he wants or she wants wherever it is, once you repay all of the court costs involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just read it to you directly from here about the judge for our continue that fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Following the verdict judge, Jonathan Hine ordered that court costs be split between the parties rather than entirely covering them through the losing side according to reports in late March

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you lose the case, usually their turn has already put the thing in, that says upon losing, then I won the defendant to pay all the court calls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, that also swings the other way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you win the case, then the other side is supposed to pay your court calls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this judge didn't get the very key won't it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to try to make him pay a half of the court calls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you going to take the money and split with the police?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm already sure the police are far back in the state is already paying for their court appearance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Since there being a since they're suing Afroman about something that happened on their job, I'm sure somewhere in the union, somebody's covering them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you make that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you have a lot of people on the internet that saying is because the judge was racist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't get what he wanted out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He thought that out for man for sure was going to lose the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because he didn't have to come with something quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And says no one got any money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm not just saying you see go spit it with the police to be for ceases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They was trying to dig $4 million on man's pockets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They lost all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what the court cost is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if the judge is going to be fair about what the court cost is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He may tax up known to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just let's just for a nice round figure says 100,000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to really put that to a court cost?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or are you going to go split that behind the scenes with the seven cops?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do we know he don't have anything under his sleeve?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that he has made this ruling, which is 100% unfair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to what you think?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can look up the songs if you won't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been there for three years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alpha Man is now said that he definitely ain't going anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That he has more songs in the pipeline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now that this judge has made this ruling, I think we may be seeing a song come up on him pretty soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because now you know, made Alpha Man mad once, you would think you just leave him alone rather he's won this case and proven this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you keep going after him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever happens to everybody at this point is their fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Plus, the one point I've got to make, what did the cops think was going to happen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that they made this a lawsuit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, okay, they figured they already out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was this getting clowned down a little bit for beating the Afro Man's house and it was getting laughed at because the songs he made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they're saying what we've been in the spotlight and we can't take it and our families are suffering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you wage a lawsuit against an artist that's already put out at least four songs about you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of his audiences are the guy that got the hold of it because if he helped him pay for his daughter's getting me prepared.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think is going to happen now that you put the lawsuit out there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they did that as a man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, they started giving him his numbers and he's like, yeah, my numbers was lower than that, but now with this lawsuit, and they're like, oh, you said because the lawsuit people's listening, he's like, yeah, my numbers has been infested because of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, everybody knows who these cops are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just made it worse themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because now they're getting clowned 40 million times harder than they were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: before this lawsuit happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they just made their whole situation worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So somehow somebody's trying to find a way to make Afro man pay for this and they did it to themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright guys, let me know what you guys think about this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you joined me for this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a funny one, but it does have a lot of implications that would happen to us if we lost this case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And thank you for hanging with me throughout this rough time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully we're back now for the duration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some things coming up that I will be dropping here soon about one of the other podcasts in my mind and how we're gonna integrate everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So stay tuned for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, thank you for joining us today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you have many choices to come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any of you podcasts, I am grateful, that I am one of your choices.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always remember you have been listening to the only three-fested podcasts of this kind, be good to yourself and each other, and always remember, always stay humbled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that of kindness can make someone's day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A little love of compassion can go a long way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember that there is an extraordinary person

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll catch you guys on the next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Introduction and ending credits by Jackie Voice.

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