Unmasking Elder Abuse: Rusty Warren’s Tragic Fight

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright guys, so we have a good guest here today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you guys know that I do edit for all the shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the shows I edit for is the Marty Oakley radio show taken over by a fabulous woman named Coss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And during my time of editing that show, I run into guests that I think would make a fabulous guest here and cause it's so grateful to share her guests with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Today we have one of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is an author.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was also one of the best friends of a comedian about a name of Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Warren, who she spent a lot of her life and still do taking up for her and telling you the crimes that happened against her as she was taken care of by caretakers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As you guys know, my mother was killed by hospice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've assured that story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to welcome Russ our list to the show when she's going to tell us all about that today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, Liz to the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's great to be here and hopefully this show will make a difference in someone's life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I imagine it would.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pleasure to also to be here with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, it's pleasure to have you here, it's all mine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're going to start because I know that today, you picked this day specifically to come on the show as we're recording this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell us what the day is and what it means to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, today is March 20th.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was Rusty's birthday, March 20th.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was born in 1930.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's Rusty would have been 90 something today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, she's in heaven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're having a heavenly birthday for Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this day would be significant to honor her and people like her who are fallible people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I looked her up and they said it'd been 91 today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 91, okay, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not great at math, but you know, hey, I'm good at other things, but not math.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So before we get into the harshest part of this because for what I've heard it is bad and there's a lot of bad things going on with caregivers and with people being placed in conservators ships and ended up in hospice and a lot of these things we don't know my mom was taking out boxes because we don't even know how she got signed up for it, but we never knew anything about hospice and I learned a lot being on causes or editing causes show so why don't you tell us for those who are too young to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: exactly who Rusty Warren was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Rusty Warren was a comedian who was ahead of her time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She did comedy that was considered very naughty back in 1958, 59, 60.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Each one of those years, she made a gold album, so she did seven gold albums of comedy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she talked about Mr.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Misses America, about couples, about what couples did in the bedroom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But she did it in such a way that was very colorful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you could imagine, and she never used a four letter word.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She also paved the way for women comedians because she did a lot of things behind the scenes like negotiating her contracts for her record sales and negotiating navigating for women.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she did open the door for women to get into the career because it was mostly men before that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the comedy world, they call it working blue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have several different female comedians.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all, you know, who works blue now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they would be where they are if there was no Rusty Warren?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably not, and I've heard from several of them specifically, Ellen DeGeneres, who was with Rusty one afternoon, we met her in Phoenix at a comedy club, who said she wouldn't be on the stage if it wasn't for Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These women honor Rusty through what she did for women in comedy, and that is very notable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how she's known.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rusty would have been more popular, but she was never on television and never played on the radio.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So all of her record sales were considered blue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were behind the scenes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The records were hidden and consequently the sales were down, but she still did great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, even though she wasn't mainstream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a reason why she didn't go mainstream?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it mainly because it was a mill dominated, you know, roll at the time or why do you think she didn't go mainstream?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, mainly because of what she was saying, it wasn't, it was banned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, some of her music, comedy, and music was banned because they considered it to not be wholesome family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, her band embossed in album was a good example that she was not going to be mainstream.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's one song that she did it, I haven't published it yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a this is a song for the jolly green giant.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a canned vegetables and she wrote a song to it and she tried to get it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess copyrighted and they said

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, Jolly Green Giant, those that company will never let you do this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course now, I don't know, we're going to find out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But she used their, yeah, we'll find out, you know, about the green beans and, but no Rusty was, it wasn't about being a man, even though in the industry, she was expected by some of her male counterparts to sleep with them, to get ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she wasn't willing to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And even in Vegas, she worked for some of the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the big night clubs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they had a kind of a gentleman's code that if you want to be famous and get somewhere, you have to be part of that club, the male club.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they'd pretty much took over if you joined that club.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she wasn't willing to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, no, that was it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not gonna happen with her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of find the unfair that they wouldn't pull us or stuff because even back in those times, there were several men comedians that was probably bad or not worse than what Rusty Warren would have been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And especially now, you know, if you go 60, 70's, 80's, you're looking at Richard prior, you know, then 80's came 80 Murphy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there ain't anything much worse you could have said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard them say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of find it unfair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: absolutely and that you know part of it could be the male part of it was that she wasn't going to play the game and they knew that and then she was also she was gay woman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She never came out as gay, but I think they knew it and there was that undercurrent of you don't fit in with us and

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[SPEAKER_02]: She led with it, she managed to make a successful career despite all those challenges.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where she led the way for other women who were their women's minority.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you were Jewish, if you were gay, if you were black, if you were Hispanic, you were a minority.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you had to work harder to get to the top.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I believe that I heard that you did write a couple of books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think are they based on Rusty?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you know, people accuse me of rusty's your whole life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was and probably still is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm I married to Richard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a wonderful man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he understands that this conglomeration of rusty Warren products is what I do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do publish her music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote her biography.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote a cookbook with her recipes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She only had two or three recipes, but we had a lot of stories in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote a new book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's called Who Kidnapped Rusty Warren.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and then it was such a big book I used the court documents to write the book and I did some editing before and after, but I did not alter those documents because otherwise they're invalid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there was two books, second one was the rescue of Rusty Warren, the kidnapping.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there were lots of allegations of kidnapping.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I was sued for kidnapping from the caregivers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's dive in a little bit of what happened to Rusty in her later life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had some role care caregivers and for those of you are here who are either young or you take care of your elderly parents or grandparents, you need to listen to this because

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[SPEAKER_01]: don't be like me and my mom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know anything about hospice and then caregivers and I run into this podcast and that's all it's about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's so many hundreds of thousands of stories and Liz story about Rusty is just one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to pay attention.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell us what happened when it came to the caregivers in Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Rusty and I were together as partners for over 20

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in between that time, we live separate part of the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was normal relationship except, you know, as women, it was more difficult.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So in order to protect ourselves, we made a trust.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She said the trust would protect her wishes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I know what her wishes are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The trust knew what her wishes were.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But as she got older, she was living with a roommate in California, and Rusty obviously was starting to get dementia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I made sure everything was in order with the hospital, the doctors, and we never thought this would happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about what would have someone tries to take the trust, or take Rusty, and she said, no, we're fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had paid a lot of money to have this done, and we thought we were fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had joint bank accounts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: House was in both names, everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The woman who she was living with her name is Amitatella Barbara Burns, realized Rusty was too ill and kicked her out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rusty was in the hospital when Barbara kicked her out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rusty had, I'd seen Rusty about 10 days prior.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went to see her in California and she was in bed shape and I said, you know, we should probably go to the hospital.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, she said she was fine, and I contacted Barbara and said, you've got to get her to a doctor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Barbara did not like me, there was a lot of conflict between us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't take her to the doctor, but Rusty passed out at a denies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She passed out in the restaurant, and of course, they took her, and found she had, this is ten centimeters of blood clot in her lungs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when Barbara took her to the hospital, she realized, my name was on all the medical papers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: sent me a text and said, I can't take care of her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She can't come back to my house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Come pick her up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all on you now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, I was in Hawaii.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rusty was in California.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, okay, I'll step up to the plate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we need to plan this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the first night when this happened, the doctor and I spoke, and he said, she's probably not going to make it, because they had to do some blood blasting for that blood clot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And her arm was turned purple black.

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[SPEAKER_02]: she was confused.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She knew who I was, but she was confused about where am I?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she was heartbroken because she couldn't go home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that was really unfair of Barbara to not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's illegal in California.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you have a roommate, you have to give 30 days notice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't kick them out when they're in the hospital.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, normal people don't do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're not going to say anything about Barbara that isn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, from that point,

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[SPEAKER_02]: a race to get rusty the care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she stayed in them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's called rehab for almost a month because she was really ill. And then I just made plans to come from Hawaii to California with my husband with the U Hall and get her to Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in that meantime, we looked for a place to get care, because she needed lots of care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the drive from California in Laguna was

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[SPEAKER_02]: was frightful because she got in the car and she had no bell control and we're in the car and we're on the freeway and she was so embarrassed we had to pull over in traffic and take care of her and my heart broke and she never got to go back to that house we just went to get her things

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then from there, we did the Phoenix and Rusty wanted to go back and we had to compromise her and I, you know, you can't go back, but we're else would you like to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she said, I want to be near you and Richard in Arizona and you can come see me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's what we did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We eventually got her into the situation at the memory center.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she was very happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was, she loved her place, and despite what the caregiver that got her in Tucson said and Barbara, they never let Rusty speak for herself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They never let her go to court.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They never let her speak on the phone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They never let her talk to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we'd had her for six months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But in the meantime, the woman who kicked her out, Barbara Burns, now was suing me in court to get Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I wasn't going to let it happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's not what Rusty wanted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so from there it went from bad to worse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I made some notes which I'm going to have to look at because I don't want to be saying something that I shouldn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So in answer to your question, a lot of things happen in this case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of crimes were committed by attorneys, by the court, you know, and by the caregivers, and by Barbara.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Barbara committed to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is legit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's in the court documents.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Five attorneys, total, three judges, and five full days in court, and that cost the estate over $300,000.

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[SPEAKER_02]: which is ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, Barbara was sewing Rusty because Rusty and I had things in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was sewing her friend to get her and using her money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rusty's and my money for this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we ended up losing, you know, after I had Rusty for six months, she improved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She could walk our own.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And these people said, no, that's not true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're abusing her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're kidnapped her, you're attorney kidnapped her, the police kidnapped her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They accused me of trying to kill her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She almost died once and I called 911 because they said, don't know, she said, do not resuscitate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Leave her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, I'm not going to leave her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The die?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, she was bleeding, bleeding out in the bed, and they couldn't figure why.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was not well between the dementia, and she had a condition of a prolapse rectum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was terrible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she was in so much pain and her and I discussed all the possibilities of getting her out of pain and in better health.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she had surgery and from that, the judge and the lawyers thought it was a terrible person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even though everything was legit, the doctors were the great, it was a great doctor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She had to go through medical tests to get even have surgery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they said she's too old, well, she did survive the surgery and from that she lived two more years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She wanted me to take care of her, and I couldn't, I couldn't in my home because she needs a lot of care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just more than, you know, it was 69 years old than, 67, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Couldn't do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just physically, so we, she said, I want to be with Barbara.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was not going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I was very upset with Barbara.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How dare you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kick her out?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, she wouldn't take her back until the court case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had some friends, Tim, McKenna, and Gill, Hansen, who had been friends for a long time, and they were fans of Rusty's, who said that they would take care of Rusty and Tucson, until I found a place for her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't ideal because they had already been arrested and Tim was convicted of

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[SPEAKER_02]: senior abuse, financial abuse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I knew that, but they made it like it was no big deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They accidentally used someone's credit card.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What I later found out from court documents said, they had been accused of doing this for years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They had a care home in Sorara, Rita, it's near Tucson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there were, and I've got the names of all the people which I'm not going to say, because this document, I believe, is highly private.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then documents were changed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're giving Tim and Gail, even them everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they didn't want to speak to their loved ones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anymore, they were afraid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just what they did to Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, I'm, I'm going to find a nice place for you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she was happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then one day she said, I can't talk to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I won't talk to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I'm afraid of you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I later found out, and I have, it's on YouTube, I recorded her video, video recording of her apologizing to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She said, they told me you didn't want me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They told me you were never coming back to get me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I said some bad things about you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And my heart broke because Rusty was innocent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She had dementia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She, if you gave her a cookie, she would do anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how she was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she felt badly, but we did go get her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Eventually, she was down in Tim and Gales.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I tried to, I flew from Hawaii once.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We went down there and they said, nope, we can't remove her unless she wants to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she was terrified.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's how, how is she gonna say to them, I wanna go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's afraid they're gonna hurt her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they did abuse her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a video of it, also on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was awful what they were doing to her and these people they had the stupidness that were to send me the video they were making fun of Rusty and she was using some graphic hand gesture and it was clearly abused and I freaked out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But with the police and the adult protection.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and the FBI and Attorney General, we had a team to get her out of there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We finally got her out because of medical neglect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have pictures of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Her toenails were crumbled under.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She had cancer untreated on her leg and it was, looked like a big wart, but they ended up, it's a big spot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They cut, I got pictures of everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They had to cut deep and that was just heartbreaking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't taking care of her, and then they wouldn't let me talk to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She signed a contract, she couldn't sign a contract.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they were taken advantage her for her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it just, you know, I was in, if you want to call it Mama Bear mode, I was going to protect her at all costs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I promised her, I would take care of her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The rest of her life, no matter what our situation was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's some of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of assuming that Barbara wanted to come back now and take interest because of money

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think it's a little of both.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She wanted control.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, Barbara from the very first document that was sent to me, I was in shock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It said that I was

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had taken Roshi's house that I had sold it when we owned it together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My name was on the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They accused me of stealing money from her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not if it was true and I had to go through and prove all this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Which cost money when you go through an attorney.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the only, the only discrepancy was that we were transferring the funds back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, spare for any accounts was a Netflix charge for $14, which because we paid the bills together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And nothing else, but Barbara wanted control, Barbara.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did not like me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She made it known.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She did not like me because I would go visit her in Rusty and California with Rusty live there I'd go shopping for Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I left my car there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we were friends, but Barbara Wanted control of the trust that was in the document.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't think that I should have controlled the trust even though Rusty wanted that And that's why you make a trust So when you incapacitated people know your wishes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they'd never honored her wishes and her the court appointed Rusty in attorney

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[SPEAKER_02]: totally blows me away because I pray that never happens to you, me or anyone, the appointed an attorney who did not do her job, who never let me talk to Rusty, even though it was court appointed to talk to her, it was in the documents.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She never let Rusty speak what she wanted and she'd come to court and was all here say, well, Rusty wants to be with Barbara.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rusty wants to do this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what I had Rusty and when someone has to mention, they change their mind all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What can you do?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I felt it was my duty to protect Rusty, but they wanted that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted me removed his trusty because I was the first

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[SPEAKER_02]: just resign and the next person in line will take it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, Lou Ann was the next person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they accused her of trying to keep the money for lives in Lou Ann.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they were brutal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They accused us of things that just weren't true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think people like Barbara, like Stephanie Stoltman, the attorney, like Doug newborn, there's a special place and

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[SPEAKER_02]: it's not up there, it's down there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For these people who continue and they're still doing it, I'm positive, because this is not just a one-time thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've done some research, they are taking advantage of vulnerable adults.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I just, it was a rough time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a rough time for all of us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And especially Rusty, because when I wasn't with her when she was,

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[SPEAKER_02]: night they would call me and say, she's screaming for you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She wants you to come see or you get on the phone with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did, but after they barber took her, they never let me speak to her again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A year and a half was she was alive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't talk to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no communication and that broke my heart.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because here's someone I cared for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I loved, you know, who's a big part of my life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like she was kidnapped and she was kidnapped, you know, in the physical sense of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know how you feel because if they hear this, so be it, but I call my wife's family voters because my mother and my father or my mother and my father are both lived with us on their last years of life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my mom went before my father-in-law, he went 11 months after.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But no one wanted to come.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, when my mom's case on it, I'm her only son, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My wife has to be other brothers and sisters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two, that was alive because one passed before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yet, we were the only ones that took care of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, when it's time to put him in the home, he had to have a heart surgery and he wanted to go to rehab.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Me and my wife was the one that went to make sure the rehab was suitable for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We took care of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My wife was cleaning him up as his balls went to hold $90.91.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the soon as he died, here came her brother and sister.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted the house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what they didn't know is that my father-in-law had a trust already signed the year after his wife died, not more than 18 years ago, because he felt like that, of course, his other two kids will come after or the other three will come after best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's exactly what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, you know, he wouldn't even call him the ground.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They go to the funeral home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, we're going to need extra copies of the bitchy worry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My wife's like, for what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going, I'm sure we're going to have to go to probate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My wife's like, dad had a trust.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They never do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But blame the black dude, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So me and my wife been married for like 24 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wrote this trust for years for she met me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they said, oh, this is all David's fault.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they do because here's the thing you when you do a trust you are assuming that it's going to be honored But this attorney that we that I didn't wasn't my attorney barbers the attorney Is if you look on his website dug new work is they actually set me it on Facebook if you think you're going to inherit something We can make sure you don't inherit it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like wait a minute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They tried to take away the trust and a trust is really no guarantee

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[SPEAKER_02]: that you're going to not be sued or not going to be sued, but it is a guarantee because they couldn't touch anything in the trust, but they manipulate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And resty was still alive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They manipulated what was said in their soul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Most of it was interpretation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: most I would say some, but it was a brutal court case when you look at all those hours and it ended up costing three hundred eight thousand dollars out of my money and resty's yeah, it was it was really bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, the attorney, I have to say this, Doug newborn, it's in the documents from my my lawyer, he said,

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[SPEAKER_02]: He assisted Barbara in cashing out a $60,000 life insurance policy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was beneficiary and Rusty and I had not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She had not put it in the trust.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was left out of the trust.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I took over with her in the beginning, I contacted Jackson National and they didn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They said, no, no, it has to be her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, she has dementia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have my documents, you know, P.O.A., I guess what they call Palavaterny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: as all that was happening barber to go over and cashed out, that insurance policy, so that the beneficiary wouldn't get it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's against the law.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a law.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I found it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the number.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She got $650 from that company, so that I wouldn't get anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was just pure meanness.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then on top of that, Mercy had to pay $59,000 in taxes, because it was a

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[SPEAKER_02]: an annuity which he had taken loans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that money was supposed to go for resty's funeral to take care of any expenses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Barbara, you know, right to hurt me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she thinks she hurt me, but you know what, I am okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel sorry for people who do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like your family, you know, I mean, there's a lot of this that goes around families, friends, anyone can come and say, you know, that person said, I could have this, this and this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And a trust will protect you mostly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got kind of lucky with that because found out when my father and law, because they all, they're all one of the house and he had the house to her clean, but when he refines the house one year, the mortgage company he refines with did not put the truck put the house back in the trust.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, brother, try to take it to court by saying, well, Dad never wanted you to have it anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm in the trust.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, we got a good lawyer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She went back and pulled the deed from every time since he took the deed out and she went to court and said, Yana, look, every year that he's done anything to the house and always went back into trust.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was meant to be here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, we won that case, hurt the heart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, you did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because it's it's brutal with you know for someone with dementia, they can't really say she said this this is there's no proof with it with your your document and that and anyone's trust document you you have a leg to stand on and it's better than not having it you know because it's you know yeah it was this last days he was not coherent at all so you know they just do it and I'm like if it wasn't for you not having this book right here he would be a

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry, you know, during this whole court case, when they, they won the rights to take resty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you would think, Barbysson, I'm taking her to California, what she never did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She never did, and I found out four months later, Rusty was back with those people who were abusing her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I took her back to, I took them back to court.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got a lawyer and it was another 60,000 out of my own pocket to prove she shouldn't be there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the sons was a sex offender.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a registered sex offender.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tim McKenna, who is now Murphy County, and he changed his name, was a senior abuser and he was, his record was a sponge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and he kept saying, it's a sponge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I never did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You did the crimes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You did the crime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even though he sued Google, he sued the newspaper to get it off the internet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you kill someone, you hurt someone, but you know, the court let it go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's in the eyes of God and people that crime is still a crime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I will never, I will never, I don't know, I'll never be the

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[SPEAKER_02]: took me to court again and they lied to the court and I have I have some behind the scene information they went in and said they didn't have enough money so they got all free free legal stuff and the judge threw the case out he told them if you come back in this courtroom you're going to be in trouble they were suing me for kidnapping and contempt of court

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[SPEAKER_02]: which individuals cannot sew each other for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's only the government that can sew you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that cost me 10,000 just to get that little paperwork squashed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they were brutal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But once Rusty was back at their house, it was during the pandemic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we found a good place for her, a safe place, but Barbara got to take her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She took her and the transport alone was $9,000 to drive her from Tucson to California.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they forced me to sell the house, the house at Rusty and I owned, we could have Richard and I could have afforded to pay Rusty's expenses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We never got that chance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted that house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: First barber wanted me to pay rent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not paying rent to my own house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she said, we could rent it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, no, I was at 30 years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's it's not happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I did sell it during the pandemic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the money was put into most of it put into the trust.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I heard from third party Barbara had said she was going to go through that money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And first month, she sent a bill for $25,000 for resty's care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Second month, $25,000.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she paid off Tim and Gail, 4,000 a month for the time when

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[SPEAKER_02]: of she resty's few boxes with her because they wouldn't return or stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she was taken herself to dinner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Motel, car, taken Tim and Gail to dinner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Rusty was in rehab.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were charging all kinds of things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is a crime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a crime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's taken advantage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So unfortunately, two months after the household, Rusty passed away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I never got to speak to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I never, I did

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[SPEAKER_02]: I lost support case, I called her on the phone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They said, they forbid me to go see her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I called her and said, Rusty, I'm sorry, but this is how it has to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you don't Rusty said, I will always love you and I know you love me and we have to just be resilient in life and take what comes our way and make the best of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I recorded that call with her and it breaks my heart because I said goodbye,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny when you say goodbye to someone, and they're still alive, and I've replayed that in my head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe I could have driven over there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, you know, no, they would have called the police, would have had me arrested, and I couldn't help her, and at that point her dementia was so bad, you know, that she, you know, this is the only way I can deal with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so if you arrested went through all of the painstaking movies you did to get this trust, how did Barbara and the others get to take it over?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they never got to take over the trust because we had a second trustee, Luan, who many many years ago, Rusty decided we needed somebody besides me because if something happened to me, then she would be at the mercy of the court or the government.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Luan took over and Luan navigated, but they abused Luan, they accused her of terrible things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They accused her of stealing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She never stole the dime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't get paid to do the trustee.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Barbara was that didn't like me because Breasty cared about me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She cared about me and and I I I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Barbara was jealous because Barbara wanted to buy a house with Breasty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My found out when I had Breasty and the only way she could do that is to sell the house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Breasty and I owned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, Barbara you know, because it could have been done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Barbara never did that with Breasty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't do paperwork.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when Tim and Gale had

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[SPEAKER_02]: They took her to Doug newborn, knowing fully she had to mention to do a new trust.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that would have been legal if she did not have dementia and wasn't declared demanded.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is why I heard this was it was in the court case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They took her to Doug and Doug said, well, we're going to have to do a new trust.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Rusty, you know, she had lucid moments.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She yelled to them, well, I already have a trust.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't we need another trust?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he had to back away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: with what 89 year old one, 88 with the time whenever to trick them into getting another trust.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that man needs some serious jail time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm serious.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's, you know, I looked through his reviews and he's, I don't know, he did a lot of bad things and my attorney said he did a lot of bad things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Barbara did, you know, the financial end of the trust.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was the guardian.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Rusty was eating applesauce and toast and she wasn't eating lobster and steak $25,000 a month for her care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was 24-hour care givers, you know, and I'm glad Rusty had the care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just fun to know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's nothing fair or good about it, except Rusty seemed to be happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't even send me a photograph.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got a photograph from another friend who asked to see the sweater that she sent Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She said, I don't believe Rusty got the sweater, just send her a picture.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I have this picture of Rusty during that time and it was hard, it was hard because you love your wife, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and some people are away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They took her away when you talked to her, you don't know what you're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the pandemic made it so we couldn't have contact physically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they don't want you to see her because they were afraid you may say something to Rusty or what was the deal with you going to see her?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I talked to the lawyer a few times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I texted her and I saved the text and said, you know, the court has in the third court case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, first before that, Barbara sent a letter through her attorney saying, she felt that was dangerous for Richard or I to even talk to Rusty, that we could harm her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that that's ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you look at the videos of Richard and Rusty, she loved him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, she was out of wedding, she wanted him to marry her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because she loved him so much, you know, I asked her to give me a way at the wedding and she said, I can't give you a way, but I'll marry you know, marry him, because in her mind, that was how she felt about him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was, he's the most loving man on the planet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is a wonderful guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am a little difficult.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, they, they were afraid that no, they weren't afraid of anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They just wanted to hurt me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know they wanted to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a paranoid person, but through all the documentation,

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[SPEAKER_02]: attorney who was court appointed, I think the court supposed to pay you for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She sent me a $22,000 bill and I said to her, first of all, you know, this woman has dementia and you're taking $22,000 that was after the household when there was money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, she wanted to get paid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we had to send it to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I figured, you know, we just sent you 22,000.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps you can arrange a phone call.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she said, I'm busy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would send another text.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And another text, please.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's her birthday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Christmas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was never going to let that happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Stephanie had been in trouble in another state.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for co-mingling funds with her clients.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she had been reprimanded by another state.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the record's there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I went to the, what do you call it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've complained about lawyers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My lawyers said I should do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Stephanie, you know, they called her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she charged me for her phone call, $400 between Stephanie Stoltman and Doug Newborn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You would think that they were,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the lawyers for Tim and Gail because I have pictures of him in court after the court.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were handing papers to Tim and Gail who, you know, they were the bad guys, you know, and this world is upside down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to play down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the good people don't always win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Help me the orders understand this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of confused on this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you are rusty on the home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually, if you are a co-owner of a home with someone in the past away, the home usually automatically goes and the responsibility to the second owner, how are they able to make you sell the house that your name was clearly on as well?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that was complicated because the threat, okay, when Rusty and I did this, the trust back when we put she put my name on the house, she said, I'm going to put 2% for you and 98% for her because she said chances are she would go first and the 98% would go into the trust.

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[SPEAKER_02]: which would pass to me without tax.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if it was 50, 50, I'd have to pay tax on the 50%.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we had this planned out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had a financial planner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they wanted to do an auction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted to take the house away and have an auction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We would have gotten nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I went back and I said, look, I live there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I might, this is where, this is my, I had a job there of 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't like I was, it wasn't out of vacation rental.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they were able to get up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They got a lawyer to Hawaii who said,

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[SPEAKER_02]: if you don't sell it within, you know, a month or two, they gave me a time frame with short.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a pandemic, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you can't get flights, you know, everything's upside down that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I had to go, I had to do it because the bills were so high to pay for her care and the attorneys fees.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, and I couldn't do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had just married Richard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I couldn't even know we could have done it financially.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just, I can't do that to my husband.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't say, look, I need this, I need that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because for a time, they shut my accounts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My accounts were frozen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I couldn't get to my things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they accused me of stealing from Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, anything Rusty had given me, they said she wanted back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they just they wanted

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[SPEAKER_02]: her stuff and even when she passed away her things personal lungs along to the trust Barbara would give me zero nothing you know I wanted just something from her I had her thick some other things and I got rid of a lot of her clothes and they said I stole them first of all they don't I don't wear her clothes they don't fit me and what did you know it's it was just they thought they won but they didn't win

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[SPEAKER_02]: because they never counted on me honoring Rusty's legacy through her music and all the other things I do for Rusty because I promise Rusty, I would do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, during the court case, the last part of the court case, buyer offered me some money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't give the amount because it's and I came back with a huge, I said, okay, this to the judge, this has never been about Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's about money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted all the copyrights.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, no, I, no, because I, no, you're not getting it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not what the rest of you wanted to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got the copyrights.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I do today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I published all her music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have her merch on Amazon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She had a bunch of logos.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I marched it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, this is what I do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote the books.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what, that's what I do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm honoring her legacy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've donated lots of things to library Congress,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I kept my part for Rusty and that's all I can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, when we're gone, we only live through those who love us and who wants to keep our legacy alive and I commend you for doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that it's been hard and probably it's still very hard to do so with the opposite that you've had being that they just wanted money because I'm sure that if they would have gotten their hands on the right to Rusty's music and have the only rights for them to write books, it would have been used for all of the wrong reasons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe they wouldn't have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They would have just prevented me because I'm resourceful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not stupid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not the most, you know, I'm not the smartest cookie in the jar as my expression.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I promised Rusty and that was my motivation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And believe me, I worked two years without making a dime to get that music out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And my poor husband, what are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You've been at the computer all day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew nothing about the music business.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, her now, her music is,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Worldwide on a hundred and forty platforms music platforms.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I get royalties and you know I had to recoup someone because that was some of my retirement money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I had to recoup that But more importantly honor her legacy and I know because when she came to stay with us She said I know you I have another video with that that you're going to make sure that nobody forgets me I did the best I couldn't it's all I can say so You know

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, sometimes those that we love to have something, they leave things behind so that you are taking care of yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure there's where Rusty did, you know, she knew that you would benefit from that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure she knew that you would get it published.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is the reason why she told you to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in turn, she felt like that she would be taking care of you while she's not here anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she would say that because I have a video of her which I just published because it was kind of personal and she said these people are going to come after you, but she want to make sure I was cared for after because I took care of her for many years, I gave up a career that was successful to be with her and to take care of her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had we had a promise to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had a deal a sort of a deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was saying.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, yeah, she wanted to make sure I was taking care of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, yeah, they took a chunk of that estate away, but she knew that I could do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She said, you can do anything you put your mind to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I wrote her book before she passed away, and she was so happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, when I got her to my house, you know, I would have her autograph things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This book might be worth more if you sign it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she, I mean, she understood, we were business women, you know, and they accused me of

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[SPEAKER_02]: With my me doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I took videos of her doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This videos.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How could you fake a video?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I took I covered my bases and if they're listening to this, hopefully they will you know they they I don't know sometimes people don't have any conscience They just wanted to hurt me because you don't want a little bit mouthy sometimes You can ask the first judge who ended up his name is Richard something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't leave

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[SPEAKER_02]: he we asked him to be off the case because he was terrible to me and that's enough book I have those two books I just wrote they're on candle only a dollar ninety nine each so if you want to read something from the court case you're not going to believe this guy it was just inappropriate my attorney said he'd made so many mistakes in other cases so i'm not saying something because of my opinion it's fact

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's fact, and I don't know if he's retired, but the second judge we got was much better Cynthia Cune, but still she was going with, she said, you know, they hired people that were not, they were not neutral.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they said that Liz never said she loved Rusty once.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These are the court, the court tell what they call investigator.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Talk to me 20 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And from that 20 minutes, she said, well, you never said you loved her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you were asking me questions, and I was answering your questions, but no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they were, it was, and she never showed up to court.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Johnny Contreras, you got to, you got to love that name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Never showed up to court.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some, that was such an important case to my life, to Rusty's life, and I can't even imagine other people who have had feelings with someone like that who has your life on the line, and they don't have the decency to show up when they're supposed to be in court.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I went through it, you know, it was very traumatic for years, it's affected me, probably my brain chemistry, whatever, you know, my cortisol, but I'm here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here, and I don't give up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be that role model for others to say, you know, when you think it's the darkest hour, and you're not going to, you don't think you're going to make it wait till tomorrow because tomorrow is a new day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what happened with this, because

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[SPEAKER_02]: For putting up with these awful people who accused him of things, he's an honest man, he's a good man, he's a good human being, he didn't do any of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he stuck with me and I owe my life to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we did it, we survived and I took, like there's a joke Russ, he's the same.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Christmas morning the kid wakes up and there's horse manure on under the Christmas tree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And most people would think that's a bad thing and the kids said, I know there's a pony somewhere in this and so I look at my life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a pony.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I got the pony on the horse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know if they're listening, I want to say, you know what, the best revenge is success.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, for me and for Rusty because the judge, the day of the last court case,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was so scared because they kept threatening to put me in jail because they had a fake restraining order that it was all these dates and times that they said Rusty, and Rusty has dementia, they had five years worth of dates that I had to prove where I was and I was never even on the same continent that I had abused her and I had verbally abused her and I take pictures every day of something because I'm a writer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I said, well, I was in Hawaii.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were never in the same room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How could I amuse her?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even talk to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was able to dig up the phone records.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they they've tried everything, but it didn't work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know what, rusty did for you, you know, leaving behind the music's over reminds me of another story, different circumstances, but it kind of fits the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a band called Mercy Me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted the biggest hits was called, if I only imagined, Bart Malard was the lead singer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Him and his dad never really had a great relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was really part of what's upon to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of his life, he went, you know, he went to Barton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he said, I'm proud of you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never told you this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on my last leg now, but I've left you something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he left behind a little bit of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And his dad told him, say, you take this and you further your career because he always wanted to be a singer, but his dad never told me his proud of them told him was hogwash you would never make it to the end of his life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, you can do whatever you want and I hope what I've left behind is enough for you to make it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one day on a bus, he said, he just hit him in the words, you I can only imagine came to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he sung the song, it went radio and Amy Grant wanted to pick up the song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they wanted to say, hey, Amy Grant wants a singer song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We think you should go ahead and let her do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was going to be recorded by him to be recorded by her on an album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He happened to be at the concert.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The day that Amy was going to debut the song, and she couldn't do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She stopped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She says the author of this song is here tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that you should hear this song from him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's his song and his personal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she handed him her guitar and she said, this is your story to tell, not mine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That one hit, like his dad said, is the hit that took Mercy Me from a band that's not known to a band that's been known nationwide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the song that brought him the most money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you do the right things by people,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know what everybody's belief system is, but I'm a Christian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that in God, I believe in karma, I think that sometimes God blesses us, even when the times is at the darkest, because we did what we were supposed to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thank you for doing what you are doing for Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For all the female comedians, at least as out there,

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[SPEAKER_01]: By having her stuff around, they know where their roots came from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if they were too young to know who she was and not born yet, it's important for them to know like Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy and all these guys that paved the way for men that there was a woman that paved their way and without her, they wouldn't be where they are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because, you know, I just say people just play her music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care where you play it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anywhere Apple Amazon anywhere, just play her music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, that's a, like, saying a prayer to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She'll hear it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She'll hear it up in heaven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's been a lightning conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And closing is there anything you would like to say to the audience or to anyone that may be listening tonight?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, besides playing the music, I, I don't, I'll let me think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say, I've said it a few minutes ago,

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[SPEAKER_02]: don't ever give up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you believe in something strongly, if you you love someone, which I'd loved Rusty dearly, if you believe that you're doing the right thing and you are doing the right thing, stay with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, God had his hands on me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Christian, you know, and God had his hands on this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was not going to let this break me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't going to break Rusty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Karma Justice was done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And don't give up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said,

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[SPEAKER_02]: tomorrow you wake up in the morning and you know you've been depressed all for weeks you wake up tomorrow and something is waiting around the corner there's always light you just got to look for it look for the light go to the light the positive thing just be positive and don't give up best you can do can you let it by you know where we can find you or how we

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[SPEAKER_02]: or Liz Rizzo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's tons of things, but the music, the platforms, her music is on, you know, all the major Pandora, Spotify, Apple, Amazon Music, YouTube channel, Rusty Warren, Liz Rizzo, my TikTok, I have a 139,000 followers or something on TikTok.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot of videos there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's an Amazon merch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you Google Rusty Warren, you'll see page after page of,

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[SPEAKER_02]: products.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I put her logo because I thought it was cute, knockers up, t-shirts, bags, hoodies, and you know what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what she wanted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what she wanted me to do and I'm doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, this basically Liz Rizzo and there's another Liz Rizzo in LA who's a, she's a friend of mine, but she's a filmmaker and she's blonde.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's not me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, now it's been fun being on with you tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you and you know, I hope that

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[SPEAKER_02]: This helps someone, like I said earlier, and thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was a pleasure to be here with you and all of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, my, yes, thank you for coming on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anytime you want to come back, hopefully you'll let me know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can always have you back and feel there's a lot more to tell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to do to get your stories out because I think stories like yours needs to be told on multiple platforms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that we are warned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we also can go and check out what Rusty wanted us all to do was check out where her music is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Knockers up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, guys, that was Liz Rizzo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will leave you some links below because I'm sure there's a few, but I can't a test that Rusty Orange music is, in fact, on Apple Music because I have it in my playlist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So make sure you're checking out their Amazon as well as any other place that music can be distributed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Follow those links below to keep up with Liz.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And make sure because this is what Rusty wanted for her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's help her continue to further rest these wishes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, guys, once again, I thank you for joining us.

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