Sound Of Freedom: Paul Hutchinson

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0:51 You can reach them by phone call or by text. Always remember that there is nothing worth your life. And if no one else has told you this today, let me be the first to tell you that I do care and I do need you to be here. All right, so today we have a fabulous guest. Let me introduce to you who our guest is. He is a visionary, co-founder of Bridge Investment Group who traded fortune for philanthropy. Renowned as a keynote speaker to royalty and elite gatherings across six continents, his powerful voice echoes with a mission to protect children from the deaths of human trafficking. Having led a staggering 70 undercover missions, his life was forever transformed, propelling him to become a knighted guardian in Rome and a beacon of inspiration worldwide.

1:39 With honorary doctorates, prestigious awards, and an upcoming book release, his remarkable journey of liberation and empowerment will ignite your spirit and forever reshape your understanding of what it means to be truly heroic. He is the executive producer of the movie Sound of Freedom and the founder of Child Liberation Foundation. Please welcome Paul Hutchinson. Hey, Paul, thank you for joining us today. Hey, thanks, Dave. Super excited to be here with you and sharing with your audience. It is my honor and pleasure to have you here. I know there's a lot of things we're going to talk about today, but I have to start out with this one because I'm sure I'm not the only one that's wondering this. So I have to ask you, what was it like to become a knighted guardian in Rome?

2:23 And for those that do not know what that is, can you explain to that what that explain to us what that means? Thank you. So well, uh years ago, I was I was knighted and knight of the knight of the Templar, and uh it was uh uh a beautiful experience because of the charity work that I had done and and the impact that I had made. And then Prince Lorenzo dean Medici, the Medici family, is uh very powerful family in Europe and and uh Rome doesn't have a royal family anymore. Uh you know, the ruling uh classes more uh like here in the U.S., but the the family still exists. And he heard me speak to a group of royalty and and world leaders in a couple different times, once in Panama and once in the Virgin Islands.

3:04 And he said, Paul, he said, we would like to honor you with uh with knighting you in Rome. And it was it was kind of fun. He I wanted this sword that I got knighted in Knight of the Templar, and the Templars wouldn't sell it to me. I'm like, oh I really want a freaking sword above me. You know, I want that sword. So I told Prince Lar Prince Lorenzo, I said, bro, I said, the sword that you knight me with, like buy that sword. He goes, Oh, you cannot buy this. This has been in the family for a hundred years. This is what we use to knight the knights with. And I said, Well, your family has a foundation, right? He goes, Yeah. I said, if I made a sizable donation to your foundation, could I get the sword? And so anyway, so I have that sword hanging up in my living room now.

3:48 Anyway, it uh it was a beautiful, you know, and I and I tell people this, Dave, you know, my my uh my kids, they go, they call me Sir Sir Sir because I was knighted three times and then doctor, doctor, doctor, doctor. I'm gonna have a I'm having a business card made that says Paul Hutchinson DMA. DMA, people, oh, doctor of medical. No, DMA means doesn't mean anything. All these accolades are crap. You know, it's how you show up, it's how you show up in your relationships, how you show up in your family. Yes, they get you in the door places and they're beautiful honors that that people have given. But the truth is none of them mean anything. It's it's how we show up every single day. They, if they add to an unbridled ego, then then they're you're worse off having them than not having.

4:29 Well, I will be the first one to admit to you because when I read your biote, I was like, man, this guy's been knighted three times. Or should I call him Sir Paul when he comes on? So I just call him Paul. And so I I even texted my business partner, and it was like, this guy's been knighted three times. I don't know if I should call him Paul or Sir. And then my thought was if you wanted me to call him that, then that would have been something that would have been in the packet that was sent to me from your publicist, right? Because a lot of people that have those titles are very specific with you have to call me sir or doctor. Um but I find that that you didn't put that in there. I find that very humbling. I know a lot of people that earn those monikers, if you don't use those, there's like hell to pay. So I think for being humble, but that is one hell of an of uh accolade there.

5:11 Thank you. Thank you. I'm incredibly grateful, but we're just beginning. And we're gonna be continuing to make a positive impact in the lives of others because that's that's really what life's about. And I believe the the bounteous blessings in business and finance, et cetera, that I've been giving to those who much was given, much is required. And I feel an obligation to continue to bring light and uh and a positive movement in the world. So let's talk about that because this part of your story becomes very interesting. You're a very successful businessman, co-founder of Bridge Investment Group. If you can afford to, you know, pay for a movie, that means that you were doing very well for yourself.

5:57 What was it in your business life that made you decide that you want to give all that up and take on the journey you've taken up now with protecting children? Well, and uh, put it in perspective for the readers. At the time that uh I retired, I the company that I started had over 4,000 employees. We had over 20 billion in assets under management. But the the success, I truly believe, didn't come from just my hard efforts. I in my early 20s, I had a had a friend that said, Paul, if you want to be infinitely more successful in business and life and everything else, he said, make a decision today that you're going to donate a large percentage of your money and a large percentage of your time to making a positive impact in the lives of others.

6:47 And uh he said, the average person only donates 2% of their annual income to charity. He said, sadly, millionaires donate less than 2%. And he said, if you decide that that number today for you is at least 10%, even 15 or 20% of your money to making a difference, he said, you can call it God, you can call it the universe, you can call it karma, you can call it whatever you want to. There's there's an energetic force very interested in us doing good, and you will be rewarded. And I I tell people, you know, how does somebody become a partner, let alone a founder of a 20, 30, 40 billion dollar investment fund?

7:28 Well, you you're not a University of Utah dropout, right? That's where I am. The only thing that I can think of that, I mean, the statistical probability of me being where I am is zero. The only way that I can understand it is that I made that decision in my early 20s to give until it hurt, to make a positive impact. And I and I remember I took my mentor's advice and I'm like, okay, I want to give money away. I want to help. You know, I'd go downtown, find some guy on the side of the street, give him money. And my friend's like, are you really making a difference? Or you think he's gonna use that for drugs? And I'm like, you know, I don't know. I I can't judge. I don't know, you know, and maybe if I didn't have a healthy family growing up, I'd be on the side of the street. I don't know. But over time, I decided to focus my time and my money on the truly innocent, on child-related charities.

8:16 I I served on many different boards. In fact, I was on the Make-A-Wish board of directors in our in our area for seven years. I was the incoming chairman for that division of make-a-wish when I got a phone call from our attorney general. And he said, Paul, he said, I know you've donated a lot of money to child-related charities and you you put a lot of time there. He said, I need to talk to you about something that's pretty dark. It's the the fastest growing criminal enterprise in the world, and good people don't even know that it's happening. And he started talking about human trafficking. And I said, I said, you know, I thought, I thought, I thought slavery disappeared at the time of Abraham Lincoln. You know, we we've we fixed that. He said, no.

8:56 He said, sadly, it's bigger today than ever before. There's literally more people in slavery today than all 300 years of the transatlantic slave trade put together. And we sit back thinking that we've we've moved past that, but we haven't. And then he started talking about child trafficking and a homeland security agent that was in Colombia that had identified some children, and that's where my life changed. So backed off of what you just said, you made an interesting point when you said you thought that slavery had ended with Abraham Lincoln. A lot of people I talk to about trafficking, that's how I refer it to. Being that I'm African-American, right?

9:36 Well, everything that you think is is related to slavery. And I'm like, okay, what is slavery? Servitude unto somebody else that you are forced to do, labor or whatever it is. And in a lot of these cases, you know, with children is sexually related. That's slavery to me. Can you just elaborate a little bit more on that, on why you, being the person you are, would actually lead on the gauntlet and say, this is exactly slavery. In every, every way, in every way it is slavery. You know what makes me mad, David? I was talking to a guy the other day, and he he's like, Oh, Paul, you know, I don't, I want to hear about it. I want to hear about the, you know, child travel. I want to hear it. I don't want to, I want to just, and I said, you know what? I said, if you lived back in the early 1800s, in the mid-1700s, I said, if you live back then and you had a neighbor that was doing horrific things to people of color, I said, would you do something about it?

10:29 He goes, Oh, yeah, I want to do so. I said, No, you wouldn't. You would turn your head and say, Oh, that's too dark. I want to talk about it. I said, this is a conversation we need to have. The reason why we we put out the movie Sound of Freedom is back at the time of Abraham Lincoln, it wasn't guys like me, it wasn't the guys rescuing the slaves that created the biggest impact. It was people like Harriet Beecher Stowe, who wrote a book called Uncle Tom's Cabin, that created an awareness with good people throughout the country of the atrocities that were happening. And in fact, years later, when when Abraham Lincoln met her, he shook her hand, he said, So you're the little lady that wrote the book that started the big war, right?

11:09 We have to have awareness. We have to talk about these things because if we don't, then they continue. If she hadn't written that book, if if good people in the U.S. hadn't said, no, this is outrageous that this is actually happening. If we hadn't had enough people stand up and say we're done with it, then it would still be going on today. And sadly, yes, it is still going on today. It has gone underground, it's gone with children, it's gone sexual, and there's air, there is slavery today as prevalent as it has ever been. And yeah, we say, oh, we have a bigger population. Yeah, but it is it is sadly more people involved in slavery today than all 300 years of the transatlantic slave trade put together.

11:56 So yeah, there's my passion right there. And I uh yeah, and I fight that all the time with people that don't want to have this conversation. I say, yeah, you would you would have turned your head in the 1700s as well, wouldn't you? 1800s, yeah. Well, that's why I have this show because I believe that these are things that need to be talked about, and I'm very hard-hitting. And I say I'm not for everybody because I'm not gonna pull any punches with that. That's why, as a society, we don't get anywhere because everybody is too afraid of being canceled or they don't want to breach this topic because your show is gonna go away. Then if you want to find a reason to cancel me because I'm telling the truth and I'm trying to help save people, so be it. I'll I'll take that every day of the year. Absolutely.

12:36 So what do you think the root causes of child trafficking is and how do we address it? So it's interesting you would say that, Dave. I on my on my first mission, I thought, I thought, okay, what what uh yeah, they they they asked me to come in and play a role of a wealthy buyer of the children. If you watch Sound of Freedom, Pablo Delgado, the billion-dollar fund manager who who who quits his job to go help rescue the kids, that was me in real life. And uh and I thought, I had no idea what to expect. I thought, okay, these guys are gonna have have earrings in their noses and and tattoos down their neck and look like thugs. And the first trafficker I met was uh was a businessman and clean shaven in a nice, nice outfit.

13:18 And the next one I met was a beautiful woman. She was running from Miss Cartagena at one point. She had a fake modeling agency that she was trafficking these children through. And I thought, these aren't traffickers. But as we sat down and started talking, absolutely these guys were selling children. And over the next 10 years, as I led or played a key part in over 70 undercover child rescue missions, the common thread with the traffickers, the common thread with the perpetrators, that common thread wasn't tattoos and earrings in their noses. That common thread was arrogance and greed and lust. And anytime you look at another human being as anything other than equal to yourself in every way, as an object in any way, then you start going down a dark road.

14:10 This is why things like pornography are so challenging. Now, I'm gonna throw it out there because everybody who's listening has seen pornography. It doesn't mean you're gonna become a pedophile, but every single one of these guys started out with a hardcore addiction. And that addiction, what happened is they needed something harder to have that same fix. The very second that you take a woman from the divine feminine that she is to an object, you go down a dark road. The divisions that we have based on based on income, based on race, based on religion, based on all anything, when we're dividing ourselves, we're playing into that same arrogant energy that was creating trafficking. And then fast forward, after 10 years of doing missions, I looked at the numbers and I realized there were more children being sold today than there were 10 years ago.

15:00 And I said to myself, Paul, if your goal was to eradicate this evil from the face of the earth, if that was your goal on that first mission, and that's what brought you into this, you're not doing a very good job. You're not eradicate because it's growing. And I had to take a step back and say, okay, why? Where is it coming from? And now the next thing I say, David, and and this for the audience here, don't get me wrong on this. I'm not a sympathizer of these people in any way. The second that you cross that line, you're wasting my oxygen, right? The second that you touch a child, you hurt a child, you're wasting my oxygen. However, I found myself wishing that I could have a time machine and go back in time and help those kids before they're ever hurt in the first place.

15:48 And then I asked myself, if I pulled them out, then what would happen? Well, 20 more would be sucked in to fill a demand. And where was that demand coming from? Hurt people hurt other people. Now, that does not give them an excuse. The majority of us are hurt in some way. However, 70% of incarcerated felons admit that they went through abuse as a child. And so that is coming out in very unhealthy ways and passing on their trauma to other people. So we're we're gonna fix this, and we can go into this deep. If we're gonna fix this, we have to figure out how to help our children heal from their own childhood trauma before they pass it on.

16:29 Our young adults, our adults, even ourselves, the average age of a man, especially that that that even admits or talks about that kind of abuse as a child, the average age is 52 years old. Now, I'm not saying that if you went through that, you're gonna pass it on. God bless us, the majority of men and the major majority of women who go through that grow up to be protectors. However, one out of every three, if not given the love, the help, the healing that they need at the right time, end up becoming contact offenders. And that's what we need to figure out. We need to figure out how to how to stop that before they ever, ever, ever cross that line.

17:14 Well, it's very interesting that you say that, because I am such a survivor as well. And I have made it my mission last year, and I continue to do that, to share my story because a lot of men do not talk about it, which does not aid to the healing. I'll be the first one to say that you are exactly right with the statistic you just gave, because I've I've said in public speeches and to my wife before I married her 20 plus years ago, if it was not for my mother, if it was not for the love that she gave me, if it was not for the encouragement, because of the physical abuse that I had taken from my father, and that's all that I seen. I grew up very angry because you don't know where to dispel those things, right?

17:59 So I was the fighter and I caused all kinds of issues. I don't know where I would be. I would be either incarcerated or I would be in jail. And I try to tell people this is not a color thing. This is a thing that happens among everybody in the world because no matter what color you are, you suffer these same things. And that's why I preached this so hard. I'm glad you brought that up and you stand with me on that, because I feel that if a lot more men did talk about it, get it off their chest, that we wouldn't have the incarceration levels that we have, or the men that are trafficking children or doing other things to kids, because unfortunately, that's how they were brought up. And nobody ever loved them enough to try to change that in them.

18:41 So when you get my age, which I am exactly 52, maybe you start figuring this stuff out by this time, but it's already too late for you. You're already incarcerated, done the dashly things that you do. And I do believe that it is an illness that people look over. So I appreciate you for saying that. Exactly. Well, and and what happens is, you know, so many guys are like, oh, you know, that that thing that happened to me while I was eight by my uncle. You know, I don't want to talk about that. It'll make me less of a man if I do. No, it won't. You were eight. That was a horrible thing that happened from somebody that was in a lot of pain themselves, and everything of our past, everything that was done to us, everything that we did, everything can heal.

19:22 And it's going to take a process of doing so. Now, here's the statistics on that. Like I threw out earlier, one out of every three pass on that trauma. However, by just talking about it, just talking about it to your spouse as somebody just talking about it, just getting that pressure off of you and not having it be something that you're holding on to deep down inside, just that one action takes it so that the statistical probability of you passing that trauma on goes way, way, way down. I've heard some numbers as low as one in 50 to 1 in 100 of passing that on. So if people are like, well, you know, number I don't want to tell somebody that that happened to me because then they're going to think that I'm going to be an abuser myself.

20:04 No. The very fact that you're talking about it makes it so you're not going to be one. You're not holding it in. It's the same thing with a lot of addictions. When you're, when you're holding that in, when you're in, you're close, your lock the door of your office and you, you're in there and you're looking for pornography, that very act is what creates the addiction, right? You're going deeper, deeper in this shame and guilt energy instead of saying, hey, you know what? I've got something, I want to work on it. Let's identify some tools that can help me do so. And so this is you talking about it not only is going to help many men in releasing that trauma themselves and talking about it, it's going to save hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of children by having that conversation so that they can release that trauma before it ever, ever gets passed on.

20:52 So let's talk a little bit about what I know the audience is claiming for, which is the movie Sound of Freedom. Here's the first one I'm going to ask you because I've had other people on the show that has had movies either based upon them or directly about them. How much of Sound of Freedom and what we see in that movie is true versus Hollywood magic? I will say this. We took about eight different rescue missions and about 20 different operators and their different stories, and we put them all together into one storyline with just a handful of operators. So, for example, the uh the little boy that came across the border, he wasn't really the brother of the little girl that we rescued in Colombia.

21:35 The little girl in Colombia, in fact, there was an entirely different operator that wasn't that same homeland security agent. That was an entirely different operator that was there when that little boy came across the border. That little girl was actually rescued. She was there on the on the island. The driver showed my character, the picture. In real life, I was I was there and the trafficker had shown me that. But that little girl was there and we rescued her on the island. And then the jungle was actually an entirely different country. It was in Haiti. We're looking for a little boy, not a little girl. And uh he was there actually were multiple missions that that we had different operators that dressed up as doctors that went into jungles, et cetera.

22:19 So, and even, you know, the character that they called vampiro. In real life, we called him Batman. He didn't have anything to do with that mission in Colombia. He was in in some different regions in Latin America, but his story was super intriguing that he did work with the cartel and then ended up helping us in in doing some of the undercover missions and rescuing the kids, et cetera. And so, so all of those things really happened, but but they didn't happen in that order. We needed the audience to see really what was going on. And I knew we couldn't, we couldn't take millions of people to see it in real life, but we could help millions of people feel what we had felt and create that movement, and exactly that is what happened.

23:01 Now you guys landed Jim Covizel to play a major role in this movie. If you guys are not familiar with him, Jim is best known to me at least, and the 2000 film Pass of the Christ, he played Jesus Christ, one of the best actors we've ever seen do it. Can you tell us a little bit how you guys got Jim and how was it to work with him? Jim, Jim's a good man. We uh we we were looking at a couple other actors to play the lead role. We actually got turned down by Hugh Jackman and a couple others. I think they regretted it later after we became the number one independent film in history. We were at uh we were at a Phantom of the Opera event in New York, and um Jim Barber played the the Phantom for many, many years, and good, good, good man fell in love with what we were doing with the mission and and made that introduction to Caviesel.

23:51 And um and sure enough, he uh he took a look at the script and what we were doing. Um, you know, I I loved him in not only Passion of the Christ, but Count of Monte Cristo, did a great job there, and and um and I traveled a bunch with I mean I went on a motorcycle rally thing for a for a week or two with with Jim. We went to uh we went to France together, spent a lot of one-on-one time. I tell people that uh Jesus told me to buy a Harley. And then I was I was in the I was in Columbia with him, we were filming, and it was just me and him at dinner, and he's Jim's going through uh a bunch of the uh pictures on his phone of uh you know his. He had this beautiful um gray Harley Davidson, he's showing me pictures of it.

24:32 And then he then there's this picture of this this black one, gorgeous, and he goes, Whoa, Paul, he says, this is the most gorgeous bike ever. This millionaire bought it, threw like 20 grand worth of extras on it right after he bought it, never drove it. His doctor told him with his back issue he couldn't drive it. So he literally just took it back to the dealership. It is cherry as the most beautiful bike. And then Jim turns to me and goes, Now, Paul, you have a Harley, right? And I said, No, I I don't I don't have a Harley. Then he goes into his Jesus voice and he's like, Paul, you need to buy this Harley, right? And then he he picks up his his, he goes into his phone and he he dials the the Ventura California dealership and he goes, Hey, uh yeah, this is Jim Cavisel and uh uh that that that black Harley that I that you know that have you guys sold that yet?

25:14 And the lady's like, no, we just really just got the paperwork in this morning. There's two people that were here uh looking at it, but nobody's actually closed on it. And Jim says, I have a cash buyer right here. No, he didn't even I didn't even say yes, right? He says, I have a cash buyer right here, and he hands me the phone and I'm like, okay, so I give him my Amex, I buy this bike sitting there at dinner, sight unseen. And um, so yeah, Jesus told me to buy a Harley. That was my my excuse to my wife. Can you give us any insights? Because the missions that we've seen um in Sound of Freedom, you've done 70 plus more after that's come out. Can you give us any insights from your dangerous other undercover operations and some of the work that's been life-saving?

26:00 Well, I can go into some really scary ones that were super dangerous and you know, take you down this road. In fact, I'll I'll touch on a couple that I think are important from a heart space, and then then I'll I'll touch on something that that will help parents in in ways that they can keep their kids safe. So that first mission, I got called by the attorney general, and he said, Hey, there's an agent in Columbia who's found some kids, and you know, I helped to fund that. And then a couple weeks later, that agent called me and said, Paul, I I I'm here in Cartagena. There's not just 20 kids, there's more than 50 here, there's more than a hundred. He said, I think we can rescue them all. He said, Here's what the plan is. He said, he said, and he knew more about my background than most people.

26:42 I wasn't just a you know a real estate guy. I had I had enough training to make me somewhat safe in a dangerous place. I'll just put it that way. And so he said, he said, uh the head trafficker down here has a piece of property he wants to develop into a child brothel resort. He believes he can make tens of millions of dollars a year selling these models to wealthy Americans. It was horrific. He said, we need to get him to call the other traffickers and get them to bring all their kids to the same place so we can do a sting and rescue them all. He said, we believe he'll make those calls. If he thinks that the only way that you're gonna fund his project, I mean me fund the project, he goes, Yeah, you you fly down here and tell him, listen, I'll fund this resort thing you want to build under one condition.

27:24 You we're gonna have a party, you show up with all of your existing inventory. If I'm satisfied with it, I'll fund your project. So that's exactly what happened. Two days later, I'm face to face with these guys and negotiate this deal. It ends up being the largest child rescue we ever did, 127 children in one day. And and the thing that changed my life the most is I'm sitting on this chair. I'm this tall. And I'm I'm they they prayed out these kits, and they they first of all brought out these four virgins. They were three little girls, one little boy. This little boy was brought in from Haiti. He was so scared, they gave him cocaine that morning. He was 11, right? And then this little girl, they they put her in front of me, and she standing up was not much taller than I was sitting down, and I'm looking eye-level with this child.

28:13 And this was so difficult, David. I was, I, I could see into her soul. I I all I could see was fear. There was, there was, her makeup had been smeared from her her crying. She was so scared of coming out and meeting the men who were gonna hurt her, right? And I and I I took her little hands and I just said, S to be honest, okay. I couldn't blow our cover. And I told the traffickers this we can't, we're not time for the party yet. We still need to negotiate this deal. Send the kids back in into this part of the house. And the at that moment, I made a commitment to myself, to God, to that child, that I would dedicate my life to eradicating that evil from the face of the earth. And the most beautiful moment was after the agents came and stormed the party and arrested everybody, us included, the guys, the bad guys think that we got extradited to the U.S.

29:01 to stand trial. The child protective services people came in with the children and they started, they started laughing and singing with the children. And that sound of freedom was the most beautiful sound that I ever heard. I started crying, turned the agent was with me. I said, bro, I spent my whole life making money, making rich people richer. I want to make a difference. I want to help. What can I do? And he he said, Paul, he said, there's there's he talked way back then about guys like Jeffrey Epstein, who were, you know, these guys who were who were running these rings that were wealthy, arrogant. He said, but I can't teach my Navy SEALs how to wear a thousand dollar watch and negotiate a multi-million dollar deal.

29:44 These guys will see through fake money all day long. He said, and I don't know of any ultra successful business owners who's had the training that you've had. He said, if you're willing to be the bait, I'll change your whole life. And so that was the beginning. They they weren't supposed to tell the kids that we were the good guys, but somebody must have said something because as we were being taken off the island, one of the children, the the same one that was standing there in front of me, she was standing there by the door. Her hand was on the window and she was she was crying again. But she was smiling and waving, and she said in her broken English, she said, Thank you, Americans. And I started crying. And I knew that my life had changed right there.

30:25 Now that entire day changed my life. And I I realized that if I could be helpful in any way of helping kids like that, I wanted to be a part of it. Moving forward, a lot of parents will leave Sound of Freedom. They're like, okay, I want to do something. You know, I want I want to help. Well, you know, guys, the the worst thing you can do is go to Mexico and try to rescue kids. Yeah, you're gonna get shot and you're probably gonna get arrested. The best thing you can do is go home and hug your children. And people are like, well, you know, how do how does that make a difference? Well, the your focus on keeping your family together makes a big impact. That the majority of children that get trafficked aren't like what you see in the movie where, you know, a healthy family has children taken, they put in a container ship, taken to another country.

31:15 Yes, that has happened. But the most common thing is children are taken from a broken foster care program or runaways or broken families. So if you can do things to help keep your nuclear family together, like what your mother did in providing that love and holding that together, that's super, super important. The other thing is, and this is a scary statistic, guys, the majority of children who are sold for these hideous things, the majority of them sleep in their own beds at night. No, people are like, what? Yeah. You need a relationship with your children where they can very comfortably come to you and say, hey mom, I don't like it when you make me hug Uncle Harry because he touches me weird and he says we need to have secrets that are outside of you.

32:07 Or I don't like going to this friend's house because he's her brother's been taking pictures of us when we're changing, and now he says that he's going to use them against us, and if we don't do other things with his friends, or they're going to spread it around school, or I don't like this babysitter because she's shown us pornography and says that we should trust her more than you. Or a more common one that's happening right now, every day, guys, is your children will be online with another, what they think is another 13-year-old or another 14-year-old. And that person on the other line, that predator on the other side, will convince them to send a nude or a half nude pitcher.

32:47 And then what will happen is they will they will then say, hey, you know, uh, as soon as they can get them to do more and more, and as soon as that child stops, no, I'm not gonna do any more, then the then the blackmail comes in. Well, we're gonna send this to your school unless you send more, unless you do this. And it happens all the time. In fact, you you need to have a relationship with your kids where they can say, Hey, mom, I screwed up. I I I sent this picture, and now this guy's asking for money, or now they're wanting me to meet them at certain places. This happens all the time, all the time. And so a healthy relationship with your children where they can come to you and tell you when something isn't right, tell you when when they did something that they're ashamed of, so that it doesn't get worse, so that a predator doesn't take that to a whole new level.

33:38 We did operations, I did one in Cancun where one of the traffickers had been bringing in some of his victims by going on social media and finding the kids who did not have proper control set up on their social media where it was completely open of where they were traveling to and they're posting pictures and whatever. And and he would identify 13-year-olds that are there with their 17-year-old sister, whatever else, and say, Hey, uh I'm I'm a guide down here, you should come with me. I can take you guys around, boom, they lose their passport, they lose their their phone, they're they're gone, and it happens a lot.

34:19 So and but kids aren't being taken from super healthy families because well, because we're gonna make a big fuss about it. But it does happen. Having that relationship with your kids is so important. I'm glad you brought that up because they now call it sex tortion. Well, earlier last year, I actually did an interview with Timotomia Woods. If you watch Impact 2020, they did a whole documentary about sex tortion. There were two families, a white family and a black family, Timotomia, the black family, and then there's, I believe, Jordan DeMay. The outrage I had about that was because it was two families that should have been looked at equally that both lost children because of sex tortion.

35:03 But 2020 put the emphasis more on the white family. If you read the whole article, you don't even hear about Timotomia to the end. Now, the other thing that comes back is they opened up a foundation in their son's name up under King James. They actually had um cards that people to call. The 2020 took all of that and made it seem like the other family is the one that came up with that. So I had Timotomia on my show because I wanted them to express, not only because they were blacks, I want to I want to clear that up. If Jordan the Maze parents reached out to me, I'd have had them too. But they had the more unique story because the fact of the matter is the way they found their kid, and this was a well-to-do African-American family.

35:43 They were very tight-knit. And the thing that got me with her story was that it only took the predator 24 hours to get James turned around to the point where he actually committed suicide. His dad saw him that morning and left and came back and his son was gone. And I said, Well, what happened? Well, they found the photos. And this is exactly what you said. Some girl came on screen and was like, you know, hey, I'll show you mine, you show me yours. And like his dad said, at 17, our brain's like, okay, well, if she saw me, maybe it's cool. And once he did that, they came back to him and was like, now we got these photos. And they started demanding these absorbent amounts of money.

36:27 But it goes worse than that because he was like, I don't have this kind of money. I'm a high school student. And they started saying things to him, like, we don't care what you do, we don't care if you kill yourself, go jump off a bridge. And it pushed them to that. Now, here is why I tell you this and see if you agree. When I did this interview, and I think I said this to them on air. And if I didn't, I didn't say it to them off air, I said, You understand that sex tortion is another branch of child trafficking. It's just done electronically, and they feel it's more safer because you don't see who the person is. My 15-year-old and I have this conversation all the time because she's like, Dad, you're just paranoid because you do true crime.

37:07 I know who I'm talking to. I'm like, you don't know who you are talking to. If somebody ever asks you to send a photo, they send a photo themselves, you need to disconnect because predators work in these rooms. So do you agree with me that sex torture is definitely a branch of child trafficking? Absolutely. Absolutely. In every way, just like you talked about earlier, trafficking is slavery, and slavery is any time that somebody is controlling another person through bribery, through extortion, through fear. This is all, this is all, you know, there are so many women who are involved in human trafficking, who are victims, who are completely controlled through fear.

37:51 And this happens all the time. You know, children are children are are taken from you know healthy homes in Latin America. And not, I didn't say wealthy homes, healthy ones. They have a good mom and a dad and whatever, but immediately those kids are controlled through them saying, Oh, I know what's where your sister goes to school, I know where your mom lives. You don't want something bad to happen to them, do you? And so anytime that you are controlling another person through fear, that is absolutely slavery. Yeah, and I point this out all the time. People think I'm paranoid, but I'm glad you're here to back me up on that. So I do want to ask, so I do know, you know, we talked about the movie a little bit. I don't want to ruin it because I want people who have not seen it, go see this incredible movie.

38:31 It is something that if it doesn't change your life and your perspective on what's going on with our children today, then you absolutely have no heart that's beating. I was made aware of this movie, not through any press. Uh, in my job, I have to go to 14 different stores. And there's a girl that has since wrote a book because where she comes from, she was trafficked and then she was made to hold guns. And she says, Have you seen the movie Sound of Freedom? That movie is the movie that comes close to my story, and finally someone's telling it. So I do know that it's powerful. My next question for you is I know that you've kind of shifted your focus a little bit from rescue missions to raising awareness about child trafficking. What made you make that shift?

39:12 Well, like I said, uh back at the time of Abraham Lincoln, it wasn't the guys rescuing the kids. It was the it was people like you, David. It were influencers who created awareness, and that's what creates the shift. And so, you know, I was uh the primary investor, the first investor in Sound of Freedom, and uh the very first executive producer, there's a few others that came on later in the film for the purpose of creating awareness, because that's the only way that we're gonna really fix a problem. And as you said, the press didn't say anything about it. We were we were completely blocked by Hollywood, by big media, all of that stuff. And uh and even when, even when we became the number one independent film in history, we were not even spoken about at all at the office.

40:00 And so you have to ask yourself, what is big media, what is Hollywood trying to force feed you, and why? What is their agenda? What are they trying to hide? Because everybody who saw this film went and told all their friends about it, and they told all their friends, and over 70 million people saw Sound of Freedom. And so it's um it's important that we stand up together as good people and say, I'm not going to allow big media, big Hollywood to dictate what comes into my home. I'm going to learn about the issues that I want to learn about. And uh and moving forward, I was continued even after we we filmed the the the Sound of Freedom, my character isn't Paul Hutchinson, it's Pablo Delgado and and uh played by the the producer Eduardo Varostighi of that first mission.

40:50 But moving forward, I didn't think that I ever wanted my name out. I didn't ever want to go public. I uh I that's why I that's why I didn't even have my name there. But as ten years passed and the movie still had not received any distribution at all, I was pressured by my kids, by my wife saying you need to go public. I'm like, can it be about the message, not the messenger? And they said, No, you have been there. You have been in the pit of darkness, you have seen the darkest part of humanity. And that's the only way that you can shine the light on it is by going public. And uh I said, Well, I don't want it to be about the, you know, PaulHutchinson.com and, you know, the sizzle of the rescue to bring them into me, all this crap that I saw with other people involved in the past.

41:39 I said, No. I I they said, Well, we'll keep your ego in check, but you need to be out there talking and sharing because that's the only way that we could keep this movement going in the right direction. And I'm glad they did. You just cleared my my next question, which was after maintaining a low profile, why did you decide to speak out publicly? But I think you just answered that. I am very glad that your family did tell you to do that because I'm exactly the same way. I don't like to bring attention to myself, I don't like to talk about myself, I don't like to brag on myself. I get low marks in that when I have an annual review for my job because my boss is like after all the stuff you do, you never talked about yourself. Matter of fact, there was a guest that I had. At the very end, I tell you that you're listening to only three faceted podcasts of its kind, because I am, but I never wanted to say that.

42:24 And I had a guest that I'm about to publish if he came on and he goes, You have to own what you do because you wouldn't be helping the people that you are if you weren't doing these things. So you shouldn't be ashamed to say that you're the one person that's done something that you thought that would work and it's working, is not bragging if it's true, is what he told me. And I'll say the same thing to you. I was not, so just so just to kind of like ease you a little bit, out of all the stuff that I read, I'm just gonna be honest. So when I got this from your publicist, you know, I think she told the email that, you know, Paul Hutchinson would make an excellent guest for your podcast. You know how many thousands of emails I've said that, and then I read and I'm like, yeah, no, no.

43:08 So I'm reading all this stuff, and I read it to my wife, and my wife's eyes are gonna be, oh my gosh, he's been knighted, he's done all this stuff. And I said, that ain't what grabs me. I said, what grabs me is that it says that he's the executive producer of the Sound of Freedom. You know what that movie's about? And that he's done over 70 different missions to help child trafficking. Out of all the stuff you've ever done in your life, that is the bars that grab me. That's what mattered because the way I thought about it was this. Out of all of the rich people that we have in the world, Oprah is slated to be the richest black woman that ever lived. Yet you will never find her saying, you know what, I'm gonna give all of my riches and quit what I'm doing today, and I'm just gonna go help children.

43:51 When I find people like you that has the money, let's just face the fact, maybe even had millions, and you decide that out of all of the wealth and the gain that you have, it is more important for you to go out and help somebody else, that speaks a lot about your character, and it also speaks a lot to humanity that I don't feel real high on right now. So I thank your family for telling you to do that. Thank you, David. I I uh it was interesting. The day that I received that first phone call from that uh homeland security agent Columbia and asked me, he says, Can you be in Colombia in two days? And I'm like, Yeah, if you if you know, if I can help, I would love to. And and um my business partner called me about two hours later.

44:33 He had heard from my other partner and that I was planning on doing it. He he his first words were, Paul, have you thought this through? He said, This is really dangerous. He said, You're set. You could you could sell out today, buy an island, be happy the rest of your life. And I said, John, would I really be happy if I bought an island, if I bought another plane, if I bought a third helicopter, all this crap. No, I I said, I said, tell me this. If I was doing something else dangerous tomorrow, if I was if I was climbing Everest tomorrow, you and I would have the same conversation. He goes, Yeah, we probably would. I said, and when I'm 95 years old and I'm looking back on my life, and I say I I climbed this mountain and I helped build this multi-billion dollar company and I helped rescue this many children from slavery, which of them matters at all?

45:21 He said, Yeah, Paul. He said, if your skill sets are something that they need, I support you. So was the beginning. So can you tell us a little bit about the Child Liberation Foundation? Absolutely. So I worked with a lot of foundations over the last uh 11 plus years now. I started the Child Liberation Foundation in 2017. Primarily in the beginning, it was just something where I didn't want any donors of the other organizations to pay for the missions that I was a part of. I was just donating into them and it was coming back on me. I said, you know what? I'm just gonna start my own foundation and it's gonna fund that. And then we had a number of undercover operators who left that uh that homeland security agent and started their own foundations.

46:04 And so I was funding theirs as well. So it was kind of a fun to fun. It was a foundation that helped fund a lot of different rescue missions and a lot of different works. Well, after I uh I met my wife in Haiti. I did 12 undercover missions in Haiti. I tell people meeting a beautiful Colombian actress is kind of cool, but when she's donating her time at an orphanage in Haiti, that's my kind of girl. And she now runs the Child Liberation Foundation. And people can go to childliberation.org and get information on it there. Our primary focus now is in working with governments and changing laws and policies to help keep the kids safe and in creating programs for safe houses around the world, healing programs for the children, creating certification programs that are now being mandated in multiple governments, where uh certification for for not only the police and people in hospitality, but also people in the medical industry.

47:01 We we took down a huge trafficking ring between Peru and Ecuador that was running kids between both of them, took that down because we had some medical personnel who were aware of the signs. In fact, over 80 percent of children who are being trafficked end up going to a doctor while they're being trafficked, and if we can have them certified on knowing what to look for. And so we're making uh a big impact. We're not just rescuing 20 kids at a time, we're changing neighborhoods, we're changing nations. You come down to Colombia now compared to where it was years ago. You come into Medellin, Colombia three, four years ago, and you would see prostitution everywhere, kids being sold everywhere. You come in now while you're in line in the waiting for the security as you're coming in the the security desk, you see this huge poster put on by the by the the mayor in the area saying, you want to enjoy our our land and our culture, wonderful, you want to do these things to kids.

47:57 You go to prison for 25 years and has a picture of somebody in cuffs. So, you know, we're we're curbing the demand, we're changing the laws, et cetera, making a huge impact when it comes to really eradicating child trafficking. So what impact do you feel the movie Sound of Freedom as well as the Child Liberation Foundation is having on child trafficking? Well, through through the Child Liberation Foundation and other foundations that I have helped to fund and to start, over 7,000 victims are now back to their families. However, over 70 million people have seen the movie Sound of Freedom, and hundreds of millions of children are safer because of it, because of that awareness, because parents are paying attention of things.

48:47 You couldn't have a conversation about trafficking, child trafficking five years ago at a dinner table. It just wasn't a polite conversation. Today, those conversations are happening everywhere. And because of that, parents are doing the right thing to keep their kids safe, to being aware of what's going on with their friends and the neighbors and doing things to keep the families together as well. And so so yeah, we're making a huge impact, not only with a global awareness of the problem, but now governments everywhere are opening their doors, saying, okay, we don't even know how to identify trafficking, what to do about it. And because I've been on the ground and have seen it firsthand, we can help them change some of the things that are that are contributing to it and uh and keep the kids safe.

49:34 As raw as Sound of Freedom is, I know back when I was in school and still do this now, sometimes they have assemblies where they will show you important films. Do you think Sound of Freedom should be on that list to be shown to at least every high school across the the the world? 100%. It it absolutely should be something that people are being made aware of so that they can they can live their life, not so that you can live in fear. That's not what this is about. You know, being aware of your surroundings. One of my undercover trainers, his name's Steve Tarrani, is one of the best in the world, one of the best edge weapons trainers in the world, one of the best situational awareness trainers.

50:16 He's trained the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, et cetera. And simply having situational awareness will prevent 90 to 95% of the potential confrontations that you would ever have. Just being aware of what's going on in your surroundings, making sure that your kids aren't walking around and I talk about this in depth in uh in the Sound of Freedom Book. And uh, you know, you can go to sound of freedombook.com and pre-order. It's coming out in July. But I talk about things that parents can do to keep their kids safe, about situational awareness. I talk about the training specifically and details, things that I learned in the operations, et cetera, so that parents can do more than just the movie gets the awareness out there.

50:59 But there's not a lot of calls to action. There's not a lot of what parents can do there. So you can do a lot more with a 200-page book than you can a 200-minute film and uh and and give parents the tools they need to keep their kids safe. So in your estimation, how long do you think it will take to effectively tackle the child trafficking problem? I think we're making a huge impact right now. I think that the world as a whole has shifted. I I will say that until the adults of the world figure out how to fix their shit, pardon my French, but you know, child trafficking is just one of the symptoms of a deeper problem.

51:43 And that deeper problem, once we fix that deeper problem, we're not only gonna fix the child trafficking problem, we're gonna fix the domestic abuse and child abuse in the home. We're gonna, we're gonna fix the wars because we're gonna fix the division stuff. There are so many things that we are we're in this world of division, we're in this world of fear, we're in this world that that feeds anger and ego and arrogance and greed and lust and all of these negative things that are contributing to all of the challenges we're having, including child trafficking. I believe we're gonna see a global transformation of elevating global consciousness within our lifetime.

52:27 I think that the world is sick and tired of the crap and we're ready to change. Now you mentioned it because I was gonna get to it anyway. You're writing the Sound of Freedom book, Dubalt This Year. What will be different in the book than what people have seen on screen with the movie? The first, there's there's four sections of the book. And the the first section is called The Making of an Undercover Operator, and it talks about the journeys of a number of the operators and what brought them to that point. In that includes a lot of the training and the situational awareness and things like that, talks about charity and giving back and how we can make a true impact in the world around us. The the second section is the jungle rescue and in Col uh, not the jungle rescue, the Columbia Mission with the Island.

53:12 The last, the third section is Doctors in the Jungle. And the last section is all about healing humanity. And so more than half the book are solutions. The center part of the book goes through the missions themselves and brings you in to it from a deep emotion standpoint. And you can get a lot from that, from every single thought that came through my mind and others as we were in those situations. And it talks about some things that we couldn't put in the movie. Um, you know, some challenges that came up during that rescue and some others, et cetera. And then the most important part, I believe, is the last section, the last six chapters, all about healing humanity, all about fixing this problem, all about changing the way that we look at the man in the mirror and we look at the man across the street.

54:03 That's that's what needs to change in order for us to start liberating humanity from this toxicity. And interesting you bring it up because that's the last part I want to talk to you about, which is healing humanity, that we had a little bit of discussion off air. I think you did say, which is true, that we can fix anything that we want, but if we don't heal humanity first, it's all for naught. Just give us a little bit of what you feel it will take to begin to heal humanity. Do you think that we're even on the path of that right now? Um I'm not gonna go into deep on it, but I'll I'll touch on a few things that I think are vital. Every single person, every person needs to take a look at the person in the mirror. I I love the story of the man who's sitting on his couch and his little boy comes in and says, Hey daddy, I want to play baseball.

54:46 He's like, No, no, I'm I'm busy, I'm reading the newspaper. And boy comes back a few times, and finally the guy he he he sees in the newspaper there's a there's a map of the world, this globe of the world, and he tears out this map of the world and he tears it up in little pieces, throws it on the ground, and he says to his son, he says, You know what? You should learn your geography, go get some tape, tape together the world, all of the pictures of the map, and as soon as you have it all perfect, then I'll go out and play ball with you. Well, just like less than five minutes later, the little boy came back and the map was taped together perfectly. Every single country, exactly where it needed to be. And then the man's like, Wow, how how did you do that? And the little boy turned over the paper. He said, Well, there's a picture of a man on the other side. I just put the man together and the whole world came together.

55:29 And that's really what it's about is we all need to identify tools to be able to do that. Now, I'm gonna drop a little bit of a bomb and I'm not gonna go into a lot of details on it, but there were some things that were outlawed in the late 60s that you and I our entire life have been taught that they're incredibly dangerous. And they are when used in the wrong hands. But unfortunately, they have not been accessible to help people heal from childhood trauma, PTSD, addictions, anxiety, and depression, like they could. So we touched on this off here. My first successful company in my early 20s helped people with anxiety, depression, PTSD addictions, childhood trauma. I had 50,000 people a month calling off of an infomercial to get a cognitive restructuring program to help them.

56:15 It took 12 weeks with a personal coach to start changing those negative habit patterns of thought. We're able to do that, making significant changes in all of those areas in less than a week using some of these tools. Now, I'll drop this bomb. Do your own research, guys, on this. I'm just gonna throw this out so you can start doing your research. Things like psilocybin create a temporary state of what we call neuroplasticity, like when you were three and four years old, where you're very, very impressionable, you're learning three or four languages at the same time, and used in the wrong environment. I'm not a fan whatsoever of somebody going to a rave party and using mushrooms with their friends.

56:56 You can literally in that state of neuroplasticity with a orgy going on over here and rap music going on over here and somebody yelling at their wife over here, you can create more damage than good. However, when used with a trained facilitator who understands how to use it correctly, we have seen 10 and 20 years worth of therapy accomplished in three or four days. I have seen vets that had PTSD for life that were able to recover from that in a very short period of time. I've seen people who were alcoholics completely break free of those. In fact, we've had people who were cocaine addicts, heroin addicts, pornography addicts who completely broke free from those addictions using some of these tools.

57:40 So I would encourage people to do some of their own research. They can go on to liberatinghumanity.com and get some more information there from the retreats, etc. But find a tool, whether it's something like ketamine or whether it's something like psilocybin, find it and use it correctly with trained facilitators, and you can break free. You can break free of anxiety, depression, PTSD, addictions, childhood trauma, all of these things break free of them before you end up passing electronics. What would you say to the list of experience COVID? Why they should go out, cover our watch.

58:23 It makes you read a new book when it comes up. To our future than the children in our world. If we allow slavery to continue in this way, if we allow our children to have a situation of a extortion, we're we're going to we're going to regret it later. So education is so important. Just like that guy that I told you about earlier who said, you know, I don't want to hear about it, I don't want to talk about it. Well, yeah, if you were back in this early 1800s, would you say the same thing? We need to stand up together. We need to, as good, honest Americans and people throughout the world, we need to say no.

59:06 We can we can disagree on religion, we can disagree on politics, we can disagree on on whether we want to save the wells or whatever else. We can disagree on whatever that is. When it comes to our children, this is something we can all come together on. These children are not for sale. And we need to come together and protect them. Go see the movie, get inspired that way, and dive deep into what you can do as a parent to keep your kids safe by going to Sound of Freedom Book, which will just take you right into Liberating Humanity. Right there in Liberating Humanity, you can get more information on situational awareness, tools to keep your kids safe, and things that you can do to heal. Is there anything you would like to say to your followers, fans, or the listeners that may be listening today in closing here?

59:53 I have lots of great information. You can go to Liberating Humanity on any social media. Liberating Humanity will find me on Instagram. Instagram, on Facebook. Still, I'm just growing. I had I had no social media whatsoever uh a year ago. And and so I have about a hundred thousand followers on on Instagram and about two hundred on TikTok. And just just uh there's a lot of great information on liberating humanity. And so follow me there. And uh and if you want to get involved with the foundation, go to childliberation.org. Well, Paul, let me tell you, it has been an honor to have you here. Uh I do want to have you back on the show because I do want to go a little bit deeper into your expertise when it comes to healing, to drugs and healing.

1:00:38 Let me tell you why I'm willing to do that. Because there's been other people that has come to me and said that they wanted to come on the show to talk about these things, and I've turned them down. Here's why I wanted to do this with you. The other people that's come to me and asked me that, they wanted to come on their own agenda. It was all politically based. Uh, I'll just go ahead and say that after Trump got in and RFK has made the comments that he's made, it got worse. So this is what I was getting. Without being too political, that's not what I'm interested in. If you are truly passionate about that and you've done some research into it and you know what you're talking about, politics shouldn't matter if you're trying to heal people. And if it is really true that all of these drugs is hurting people and they could do this in different ways, because I have people in my family that are on drugs for depression and so on and so forth, not willing to listen.

1:01:25 Just from the spill you just gave, I can totally tell that you are compassionate about it, and that you're not coming from any political standpoint of it, that you are really trying to help humanity. And for that, I would love to have you to come back. We'll get into a whole deep discussion about it, uh, what people can do and how we can start healing people from that way. And then I also want to have you come back once your book comes out and I have a chance to read it, and we would discuss that in depth if you're willing to do that. I'd love that, would love that. I'll have our people send a pre-launch copy to you so you can you can read it even before it comes out. I would love to be on afterwards, and and uh and I do talk about that healing stuff at the end of the book as well, and and those different tools.

1:02:07 And I've I've become a master facilitator and and would be so honored to share uh different ways that people can can truly heal and and what that looks like. So would be honored. Thank you, David. Well, thank you, Paul Coon, the show. It has been an honor and a pleasure, and we definitely will be talking soon. All right, everybody, that was the incredible Paul Hutchinson. You can find him at liberatinghumanity.com. I will make sure that that link is in the show notes of this episode. You guys want to go check that out? Make sure you pre-order his book. And if you have not seen Sound of Freedom, I'm encouraging you to go do that right now.

1:02:50 I know for a fact that it is on Prime. So if you're an Amazon Prime member, you can watch that up underneath the subscription you already have with them. So, once again, I want to say thank you to Paul. It has been the lightning conversation, and I hope you guys took away from it what I did, which is a whole lot. So, thank you for joining us today. I know you have many choices in true crime and interview podcasts, and I am grateful that I am just one of them and that you've chosen me. And you have been listening to the only three-faceted podcast of its kind. So be good to yourself and each other. And always remember, always stay humbled.

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