Aug. 30, 2026
Lindsay Clancy: Verdict Watch
Trial Status and Jury Procedures
The legal proceedings involving Lindsay Clancy have reached a tense point, with the jury entering its second day of deliberations without a clear outcome. David McClam highlights the unconventional nature of this trial, particularly regarding the jury selection process. Unlike standard practices where the foreman is chosen by fellow jurors, Judge Sullivan appointed the foreman. Furthermore, the selection of alternates through a random, lottery-style draw after 21 days of testimony surprised observers. Such procedural deviations raise questions about the potential impact on the jury’s mindset, yet legal representatives maintain confidence in the process.
Public Speculation and Defense Dynamics
Significant public attention has focused on the role of Patrick Clancy, with online observers debating his potential culpability. David McClam points to specific moments during the trial, such as the defendant’s fearful reaction to Patrick’s appearance on the witness stand, as evidence that the public is scrutinizing his demeanor. While some commentators argue that the defense is struggling, others suggest that Patrick’s testimony actually supported the defense’s narrative regarding the defendant’s character. The ongoing deliberation is viewed by David McClam as a positive indicator for the defense, as lengthy debate suggests the jury is not taking the decision lightly.
Mental Health and Expert Testimony
The discussion around the trial centers heavily on the role of mental health and medication. David McClam emphasizes that true crime coverage requires a nuanced understanding of medical conditions like postpartum psychosis rather than mere speculation. By contrasting his firsthand knowledge of prescribed drugs with common misconceptions, David McClam challenges the accuracy of some external commentary. The episode serves as a precursor to a more in-depth exploration, where David McClam plans to invite outside perspectives to analyze the evidence, including the disputed technical data regarding the defendant’s Apple Watch, to provide a comprehensive view of this complex case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is widely going over the internet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of things all around Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The internet is a buzz because they believe Patrick Clancy was the one who actually did this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you go back and you watch day one of the trial was Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at Lindsey Clancy's reaction, that should be enough to tell you everything you need to know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because she was sitting in the table like she has been this whole entire trial of expression, no smile, no real look of, you know, concern, she's just real story hands folded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How am I going to come up and say, yes, I'm in my first witness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We call Patrick Clezzy, this look of Frank comes over her face and she's looking around like she's scared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look real close, she starts melting things kind of like he did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, guys, so I'm back to kind of give you guys a little update.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to be back after the verdict, but we are in day 23 of the Lindsey classy case and day two of deliberations as of this recording and the jury has went home and retired for the weekend with no verdict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just wanted to come back and give you just a little quick video audio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, if you are listening to this, you can also see me if you like on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I true comment on author's channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll leave that link in the description.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so let me kind of start with this right here because I have never seen this before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have set on about five different juries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been done the same way up
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[SPEAKER_01]: here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this is a Massachusetts thing or if this is just the way just Sullivan chose to do it, but it's all around jury selection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in every jury I've sat in, you know, you get called in, you go and you sit in the courthouse and this is in the chairs and then they call you up first as a group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they get the group of 12, whatever in there and then as they go on, the lawyers start striking people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So after they strike,
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[SPEAKER_01]: One person or whatever, then you get to whatever number gets called next, you get to go sit down and you fill in that seat until finally, they have 12 jurors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then after that, depending on the case or the court, it's like between two and four alternates, I believe, that they will select.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sitting here watching this whole case, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 21 full days of testimony.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thinking that the jury had already been chosen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On top of that, I felt like there was a unique jury as it was because there was 18 jurors, which means there were 12 main jurors, and then there was six alternate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen a case where there was so many alternate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when it went time for jury instruction,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Judge Sullivan did say that the reason that there was so many alternatives because the fact that they knew this case would be long and tedious and in case people called out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he proceeded to do stuff that I've really never seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he says, I want to think all you 18 for being here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're going to have a draw for the six alternatives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you become an alternate, it's by the look of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: The court clerk stands up shaking this box like she's about to play bingo and she's pulling numbers out now only heard that the first two or three numbers because after about the third time of shaking the box whoever's running out of yo probably said this is enough for that all of the microphone so he or she muted the microphones until the court clerk was done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the judge chose the jury forming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So before the clerk started shaking her box, he said jury forming has miselected and then he read the number and the seat number of the juror that became the formant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, never seen that happen because usually in all of my experience, you pick the jury forming when you go back to deliberate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So among the jurors, they pick who they
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[SPEAKER_01]: jury foreman, not in this case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the only person that was safe from that random pick was the jury foreman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else became an alternate by the look of the draw and then you had your main 12 that's sitting there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I don't know how the alternate people felt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How would you guys feel?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you spent 21 days on the case, you'd sharpen at the bit because
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're still in listen to a case, man, your mind is like, I can't wait to deliberate on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to get back there, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to see more of this evidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now, you sitting on this case, not knowing if you're going to be one of the 12.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And here is the other part that kind of strikes me with that now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the jury process was at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the prosecution of defense got to pick and strike.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the judge picked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no clue because that hasn't been shared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as unconventional as this is, they may not have done that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that's the case, especially with the defense, if I was the first attorney, I'd be a little bit shook by it, because I feel like, well, now I'm leaving the hands of my client up to 12 random picks, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't talked to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know what they mindset is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know how they feel about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would be kind of nervous about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Kevin Reddington has said repeatedly, just like the judge has that they have faith in this jury and anything the jury is going to do where they're supposed to do, which leads to where we are now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So day two, about 10 and a half hours of deliberation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: no verdict and today the jury did ask one question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we didn't get to hear what the question an answer was because the judge and we really called for a sidebar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But those you guys that are new to these terms, a sidebar is a discussion between the judge and the prosecution defense attorneys outside of the ears of the jury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is some issue, or there's an atmonishment that just wants to give, or there's something that they're not quite sure about, but it's something that the jury doesn't need to hear because it may be able to taint them on their thinking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the judge and their attorneys will go on the side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you see the judge covers microphone and talking to him directly in front.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or in this case, I've seen them go off on two little side room for a side bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the judge called a sidebar and he got this question and then by the time they came back, judges like, all right, got your answer, we are recessed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: According to Kevin Reddington,
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[SPEAKER_01]: what the jury asked for because he was asked for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I seem to be walking out by the press.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is they wanted to see the bag of pills and the knife?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course they said, well, why do you think that they want to see that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't Kevin read it in the truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who he is, he said, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Won't you go back and ask them because I have no access to the liberation room?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we want to come back to you guys quick update.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to reframe from saying a lot of things because I know a lot of this stuff I'm gonna talk about is already been talked about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I wanna give you guys everything I have in one shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to be one cohesive shot of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that you guys don't have to come back to the episodes here when I really think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I don't like to do a lot of these things split up where I do one episode here, three episodes here, two episodes here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I give it all to you in one shot,
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[SPEAKER_01]: then you guys get my whole honest opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a couple of things I will tell you here today, though that I'm feeling that you guys should look out for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I will say this, even though I don't like multiple episodes about some things, if you guys have followed my career, very few topics I've covered here has more than one episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this was going to be an exception because I do want
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our family friend, Shana, to come on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she would add a lot to this discussion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she would add a lot to what she thinks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would love to get somebody else's opinion who is outside of the scope of what we do, meaning podcast and media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No matter how you look at it, a podcast is also a form of media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So some people feel like that because I'm in the true crime space and I've dealt with true crime for so many years and things of that nature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm a little bit tainted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe why I'm seeing things is because I'm in the true crime lens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love when I can to bring somebody who has nothing to do with media, nothing to do with podcasting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she does, but probably even desire to run a show to come on here and give you your raw opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: Still trying to get shot on here after the verdict I'm going to come back to you what I think then we would do another episode, hopefully soon where she will come on to show and we'll get to hear from her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But before I go I want to kind of discuss a couple of things that kind of putting your ear and if you're watching this case, these are some things that's probably coming up for you too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it is widely going over the internet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: all around Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I promise you, when I come back with my full episode, we go talk about a fall Patrick, but I'm going to get you a little bit right here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The internet is a buzz because they believe Patrick Clancy was the one who actually did this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you go back and you watch day one of the trial, the prosecution's first witness was Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at Lindsey Klanci's reaction, that should be enough to tell you everything you need to know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because she was sitting in the table, like she has been this whole entire trial like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No expression, no smile, no real look of, you know, concern was about to happen to her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's just real stoic and folded sitting at the table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Commonwealth comes up and says, yes, y'all are my first witness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We call it Patrick Clezzy change instantly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This look of Frank comes over her face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's looking around like she's scared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look real close, she stars mouthing things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like he did it is what somebody said they picked up or why is he here or things to that nature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which calls me to have to dig to see when they were divorced because I didn't know all that history right now didn't know if they had been divorced now or he was still married to Lindsey and was testify against her because of the children boy we're discussed that but the things I found out from research and just that part and points to a lot points to him at that point but you have to look at that demeanor
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing when it comes to Patrick Clancy, now before I say this, I'm gonna call all the creators that I watch all the time because I wanna correct her on one thing that she said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Christina Randall, if you guys know who she is, look her up, she's a very prominent YouTube podcaster who does true crime all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She covers a lot of these cases extensively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She covered the Lindsey Clancy case in 2023 or right after all this happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But she's made a new update, and I think it was called something like, I was wrong about the Lindsey Clancy case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, from what I've seen, because I watched the video, and from that title, and from what she was saying in the video,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think at some point, she once believed that Lindsey Clancy was suffering from a mental defect at that time and from postpartum psychosis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now even though she says, she still believes that Lindsey Clancy was suffering from some type of mental break.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She no longer believes that it was psychosis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she starts giving you all this rundown because of medicine and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come out from my full episode because my talk to you guys a lot about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Know this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been to Christina Rando even though I do know that she said that she's have postpartum psychosis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these people that's talking to you has no idea about mental health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know nothing about the drugs that was mentioned in this case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have first hand knowledge, not only from my own self, but from family members, close family members, that's taking these exact same drugs, doctors that want to over-medicate people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're going to talk about it because that's why they live in a lot of these cases because you said, well, because you've been through it, you buy it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not biased at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give you this great facts because again, this is dealing with the murder of three children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you guilty, you guilty, but if you not, and there's evidence that it should be said so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, that's what Christina Randall said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She said, if you think that Patrick Clancy did this, then you haven't watched a whole trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You probably watched some clips of the trial, but you haven't watched a whole trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've watched all 21 now, 23 days of the trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I refer to it as 21 because 21 was the active days where there is actually testimony and rebuttals in the whole nine, 22 and 23.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So far has just been jury deliberation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your bases just come into the court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They call the court to order the judge asked the jury the same two questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, every day of the week, you know, did you watch anything or hear anything that may cause them to be a fair enough possible juror?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And is there any other matters that
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[SPEAKER_01]: They say, no, that he dismisses and then we go into recess until we hear about from them again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, if I refer to 21 days, that's because that's how long the trial actually was with the full testimony.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I watched all 21 days of life testimony and there's a number of things that happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A number of things that was said, a number of things that was done, that points at Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you just a tidbit right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a piece that can tearsly comes out because as you dig for this, and of course I got shot on my side, who if I miss this stuff, she's sending me stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she sends me this clip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this girl is telling us that I believe it was Callin' the Baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who, I think she said his heart beat was revived at 6.30, which means that he had to lose his heart beat about 6.10.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Patrick Clancy was at home then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing you have to take consideration to think about is body language.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was a junior in high school, I wish they still taught this class, because everyone young and old can benefit from this course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was called at the time they call it sociology, something like that, but basically it was the study of people and human relationships.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one part of that course, they took about a month to cover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was body language.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What am I saying to you if my posture is a certain way?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can say things to you and my body that I don't have to say with my mouth, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they use things like if somebody sit here like this, they got their arms folded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That means that they're guarded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're really don't want you to pry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they're sitting kind of loose, that means you know they're
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[SPEAKER_01]: what you want to say to them, they start frowning or scouring a certain way that's telling you something different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I look a lot of people's body language.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I look at being a dad and no matter what your relationship is with your kids, if you have one, if you don't, you're still a parent, you're going to feel a certain way if your kids are here, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking at abundance of being a dad, could I sit on this witness stand?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would my demeanor be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I have to now, even if it's three years later, okay, I've never lost a child, but I have lost my mother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My mother would be gone six years in a very short few days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: September 5th, and it's been six years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still in mourning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's still times I break down for no reason because of my mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now imagine that to be a child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We expect that at some point in our parents, we will outlive them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We never expect that would occur.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking at even if it's been three years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have my babies no more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is my demeanor going to be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to be cool?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to be calm?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to cry?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I still overly emotional?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't we get this body language?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This cat sitting on the stand like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: he read the doctor's book he fitted a lot you know when they asked certain questions you see him do all of this a whole lot i think i can count maybe once a twice where he actually shed a tear and he was his answer like it was not a long that alarms me because the fact that i know as a father and a grandfather
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, you tell me something about one of my kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm boo-hoo-in, there's three years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, look, can you give me a second bro?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's been three years, but man, I don't know what I'm gonna get through this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I want you to shift gears to Lindsey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lindsey has broken down several times in this trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every time they've referred me reference to her kids, she's crying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm looking at her body language.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it is very possible for somebody to fake this to get away with stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big fan of the movie, Primal Fear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you remember when we looked that up, that's what it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, they killed a Catholic priest because he was having them do all kinds of bad, sexual stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he put on this defensive of a lifetime where he convinces the attorney that he was nearly crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do know people can fake that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you look at Lindsey Clancy, she's not faking it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She got to a point to where they had to do a very hard day where they had to go with the optopsie photos and she broke down so hard and said, I can't do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the judge ended up saying that said, let's call her recess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to make sure Ms. Clancy's okay because you can't keep going on like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also a whole lot of evidence people that if people just wake up and look at
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hold on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really want to get into it, but I'm trying to save all this for my big episode was this verdict is over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will give you this setup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am going to be challenging their expert that they call to the stand and talk about the Apple Watch in the data on it because he said some things that is absolutely not true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know this not only because I worked for Apple for eight years, but also because I am every day for the last pass at least 12 years Apple Watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know how this thing works in and out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some of the things that he said about the data not being different the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to cover all that coming up for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get more into my theory along with some other people of Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to tell you exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just got a little taste of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why I think he has something to do with it if he didn't commit the murders himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is so much evidence that is pointing in this direction that people's not wanting to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you go back and look at his testimony, I'm telling you, this prosecution has done the most wacky's job of prosecuting because he tells you point blank a lot of the things that's there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's asking him these questions that redancing follows up on brilliantly, and I don't know why the defense
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because when you testified against the spouse, they're looking for something to see, like, yeah, I don't think she was a good mom, she needs to do this that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, did not do that did not do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, what a ex and their mom Lindsay was a lot of ways Patrick helped the defense in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're also going to talk about the two civil suits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're making this a big, huge deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody, I think it was Christina Randall again, who made response to the fact that there is a civil lawsuit and that if Lindsey Clancy gets off, she stands to win millions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's correct that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only did Lindsey Clancy follow lawsuit, Patrick Clancy followed the exact same lawsuit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two lawsuits against all these
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[SPEAKER_01]: doctors because of the fact that they're a horrible responsible because of medication turn away in the whole night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We go get all into debt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I promise you this would be an episode like no other episode you've heard about this cleansing case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going to work on getting Shama here on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you guys would be greatly entertained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I've taught her several times, my wife's going to for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had come and say this is where her before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know exactly what she's going to bring to this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So do definitely want to come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All I'm going to say before I go on this episode, it comes a Lindsey class is this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three children was murdered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do, I just say there's, I do believe that she was suffering a serious little break.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, if she is genuine, that she needs to be, I'm not going to say let go, even if they charge with manslaughter, I don't think that she's ever getting out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I won't, we're going to discuss that too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What does happen to the person that they are of a mental break and,
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[SPEAKER_01]: day was up for this kind of new to this walk out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they just walk out because of her state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If she did do it, then she needs to go to jail for the rest of her natural life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If she did it and there was nothing wrong with her and there's whole thing she's been faking this whole time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let me just put this in your ear before I go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a long time to fix something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She has been in this mental hospital for the last three years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one thing I'll say that the authorities got right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't go put her in jail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If this baby don't know if she really suffered from all of this, she was in a mental hospital this whole time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doctors in, doctor's out, clergy in, clergy out, investigators, police officers, security guards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about you, but if I'm telling a lie, I've got to keep them a good for three years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somewhere down the line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to make it, I'm going to break and something's going to give, but after three years, same report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all right, guys, thank you for tuning in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what will give you an update on what is going on in the Lindsey Clancy case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are still two days in no verdict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully we get a verdict soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember if Vinnie Palitan is falling but it's going that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically in Laminate's term now he's saying, okay, so we're a day two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was Thursday, Friday, you got the weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Monday, we expecting them not to come with the verdict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tuesday would be considered we're starting to run long and Wednesday is we're running long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the one thing I didn't say at the beginning is this actually works in the best interest of the defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you guys don't know a lot about trials and cases, the longer the jury out, the better for the defense, because that really means that they got to weigh everything hard because of the fact that they're trying to make their right decision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you get a jury that walks in on this kind of case and they back between five and 10 hours, you already know that Joe Klein knows because if they went back and they came back out that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's like, yeah, they guilty, boom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, why waste time five hours later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, we got a verdict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You already know that your client is cooked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, no matter how the district attorney is trying to play and save phase in the public, they are nervous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once it goes past two days at least, prosecution starts getting really, really nervous because they are now starting to think that there is a possibility
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[SPEAKER_01]: that this person could get off and they would lose the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, once this is all over, we get a verdict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will then tell you everything in that episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next episode you hear about Lindsey Clancy at least will be from me and hopefully Shana, we get her here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is widely going over the internet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of things all around Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The internet is a buzz because they believe Patrick Clancy was the one who actually did this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you go back and you watch day one of the trial was Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at Lindsey Clancy's reaction, that should be enough to tell you everything you need to know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because she was sitting in the table like she has been this whole entire trial of expression, no smile, no real look of, you know, concern, she's just real story hands folded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How am I going to come up and say, yes, I'm in my first witness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We call Patrick Clezzy, this look of Frank comes over her face and she's looking around like she's scared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look real close, she starts melting things kind of like he did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, guys, so I'm back to kind of give you guys a little update.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to be back after the verdict, but we are in day 23 of the Lindsey classy case and day two of deliberations as of this recording and the jury has went home and retired for the weekend with no verdict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just wanted to come back and give you just a little quick video audio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so let me kind of start with this right here because I have never seen this before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have set on about five different juries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been done the same way up
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[SPEAKER_01]: here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this is a Massachusetts thing or if this is just the way just Sullivan chose to do it, but it's all around jury selection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in every jury I've sat in, you know, you get called in, you go and you sit in the courthouse and this is in the chairs and then they call you up first as a group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they get the group of 12, whatever in there and then as they go on, the lawyers start striking people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So after they strike,
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[SPEAKER_01]: One person or whatever, then you get to whatever number gets called next, you get to go sit down and you fill in that seat until finally, they have 12 jurors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then after that, depending on the case or the court, it's like between two and four alternates, I believe, that they will select.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sitting here watching this whole case, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 21 full days of testimony.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thinking that the jury had already been chosen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On top of that, I felt like there was a unique jury as it was because there was 18 jurors, which means there were 12 main jurors, and then there was six alternate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen a case where there was so many alternate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when it went time for jury instruction,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Judge Sullivan did say that the reason that there was so many alternatives because the fact that they knew this case would be long and tedious and in case people called out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he proceeded to do stuff that I've really never seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he says, I want to think all you 18 for being here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're going to have a draw for the six alternatives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you become an alternate, it's by the look of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: The court clerk stands up shaking this box like she's about to play bingo and she's pulling numbers out now only heard that the first two or three numbers because after about the third time of shaking the box whoever's running out of yo probably said this is enough for that all of the microphone so he or she muted the microphones until the court clerk was done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the judge chose the jury forming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So before the clerk started shaking her box, he said jury forming has miselected and then he read the number and the seat number of the juror that became the formant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, never seen that happen because usually in all of my experience, you pick the jury forming when you go back to deliberate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So among the jurors, they pick who they
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[SPEAKER_01]: jury foreman, not in this case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the only person that was safe from that random pick was the jury foreman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else became an alternate by the look of the draw and then you had your main 12 that's sitting there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I don't know how the alternate people felt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How would you guys feel?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you spent 21 days on the case, you'd sharpen at the bit because
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're still in listen to a case, man, your mind is like, I can't wait to deliberate on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to get back there, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to see more of this evidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now, you sitting on this case, not knowing if you're going to be one of the 12.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And here is the other part that kind of strikes me with that now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the jury process was at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the prosecution of defense got to pick and strike.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the judge picked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no clue because that hasn't been shared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as unconventional as this is, they may not have done that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that's the case, especially with the defense, if I was the first attorney, I'd be a little bit shook by it, because I feel like, well, now I'm leaving the hands of my client up to 12 random picks, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't talked to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know what they mindset is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know how they feel about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would be kind of nervous about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Kevin Reddington has said repeatedly, just like the judge has that they have faith in this jury and anything the jury is going to do where they're supposed to do, which leads to where we are now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So day two, about 10 and a half hours of deliberation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: no verdict and today the jury did ask one question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we didn't get to hear what the question an answer was because the judge and we really called for a sidebar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But those you guys that are new to these terms, a sidebar is a discussion between the judge and the prosecution defense attorneys outside of the ears of the jury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is some issue, or there's an atmonishment that just wants to give, or there's something that they're not quite sure about, but it's something that the jury doesn't need to hear because it may be able to taint them on their thinking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the judge and their attorneys will go on the side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you see the judge covers microphone and talking to him directly in front.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or in this case, I've seen them go off on two little side room for a side bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the judge called a sidebar and he got this question and then by the time they came back, judges like, all right, got your answer, we are recessed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: According to Kevin Reddington,
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[SPEAKER_01]: what the jury asked for because he was asked for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I seem to be walking out by the press.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is they wanted to see the bag of pills and the knife?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course they said, well, why do you think that they want to see that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't Kevin read it in the truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who he is, he said, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Won't you go back and ask them because I have no access to the liberation room?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we want to come back to you guys quick update.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to reframe from saying a lot of things because I know a lot of this stuff I'm gonna talk about is already been talked about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I wanna give you guys everything I have in one shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to be one cohesive shot of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that you guys don't have to come back to the episodes here when I really think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I don't like to do a lot of these things split up where I do one episode here, three episodes here, two episodes here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I give it all to you in one shot,
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[SPEAKER_01]: then you guys get my whole honest opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a couple of things I will tell you here today, though that I'm feeling that you guys should look out for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I will say this, even though I don't like multiple episodes about some things, if you guys have followed my career, very few topics I've covered here has more than one episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this was going to be an exception because I do want
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our family friend, Shana, to come on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she would add a lot to this discussion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she would add a lot to what she thinks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would love to get somebody else's opinion who is outside of the scope of what we do, meaning podcast and media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No matter how you look at it, a podcast is also a form of media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So some people feel like that because I'm in the true crime space and I've dealt with true crime for so many years and things of that nature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm a little bit tainted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe why I'm seeing things is because I'm in the true crime lens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love when I can to bring somebody who has nothing to do with media, nothing to do with podcasting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she does, but probably even desire to run a show to come on here and give you your raw opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: Still trying to get shot on here after the verdict I'm going to come back to you what I think then we would do another episode, hopefully soon where she will come on to show and we'll get to hear from her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But before I go I want to kind of discuss a couple of things that kind of putting your ear and if you're watching this case, these are some things that's probably coming up for you too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it is widely going over the internet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: all around Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I promise you, when I come back with my full episode, we go talk about a fall Patrick, but I'm going to get you a little bit right here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The internet is a buzz because they believe Patrick Clancy was the one who actually did this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you go back and you watch day one of the trial, the prosecution's first witness was Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at Lindsey Klanci's reaction, that should be enough to tell you everything you need to know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because she was sitting in the table, like she has been this whole entire trial like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No expression, no smile, no real look of, you know, concern was about to happen to her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's just real stoic and folded sitting at the table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Commonwealth comes up and says, yes, y'all are my first witness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We call it Patrick Clezzy change instantly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This look of Frank comes over her face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's looking around like she's scared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look real close, she stars mouthing things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like he did it is what somebody said they picked up or why is he here or things to that nature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which calls me to have to dig to see when they were divorced because I didn't know all that history right now didn't know if they had been divorced now or he was still married to Lindsey and was testify against her because of the children boy we're discussed that but the things I found out from research and just that part and points to a lot points to him at that point but you have to look at that demeanor
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing when it comes to Patrick Clancy, now before I say this, I'm gonna call all the creators that I watch all the time because I wanna correct her on one thing that she said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Christina Randall, if you guys know who she is, look her up, she's a very prominent YouTube podcaster who does true crime all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She covers a lot of these cases extensively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She covered the Lindsey Clancy case in 2023 or right after all this happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But she's made a new update, and I think it was called something like, I was wrong about the Lindsey Clancy case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, from what I've seen, because I watched the video, and from that title, and from what she was saying in the video,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think at some point, she once believed that Lindsey Clancy was suffering from a mental defect at that time and from postpartum psychosis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now even though she says, she still believes that Lindsey Clancy was suffering from some type of mental break.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She no longer believes that it was psychosis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she starts giving you all this rundown because of medicine and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come out from my full episode because my talk to you guys a lot about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Know this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been to Christina Rando even though I do know that she said that she's have postpartum psychosis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these people that's talking to you has no idea about mental health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know nothing about the drugs that was mentioned in this case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have first hand knowledge, not only from my own self, but from family members, close family members, that's taking these exact same drugs, doctors that want to over-medicate people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're going to talk about it because that's why they live in a lot of these cases because you said, well, because you've been through it, you buy it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not biased at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give you this great facts because again, this is dealing with the murder of three children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you guilty, you guilty, but if you not, and there's evidence that it should be said so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, that's what Christina Randall said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She said, if you think that Patrick Clancy did this, then you haven't watched a whole trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You probably watched some clips of the trial, but you haven't watched a whole trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've watched all 21 now, 23 days of the trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I refer to it as 21 because 21 was the active days where there is actually testimony and rebuttals in the whole nine, 22 and 23.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So far has just been jury deliberation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your bases just come into the court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They call the court to order the judge asked the jury the same two questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, every day of the week, you know, did you watch anything or hear anything that may cause them to be a fair enough possible juror?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And is there any other matters that
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[SPEAKER_01]: They say, no, that he dismisses and then we go into recess until we hear about from them again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, if I refer to 21 days, that's because that's how long the trial actually was with the full testimony.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I watched all 21 days of life testimony and there's a number of things that happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A number of things that was said, a number of things that was done, that points at Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you just a tidbit right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a piece that can tearsly comes out because as you dig for this, and of course I got shot on my side, who if I miss this stuff, she's sending me stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she sends me this clip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this girl is telling us that I believe it was Callin' the Baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who, I think she said his heart beat was revived at 6.30, which means that he had to lose his heart beat about 6.10.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Patrick Clancy was at home then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing you have to take consideration to think about is body language.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was a junior in high school, I wish they still taught this class, because everyone young and old can benefit from this course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was called at the time they call it sociology, something like that, but basically it was the study of people and human relationships.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one part of that course, they took about a month to cover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was body language.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What am I saying to you if my posture is a certain way?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can say things to you and my body that I don't have to say with my mouth, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they use things like if somebody sit here like this, they got their arms folded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That means that they're guarded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're really don't want you to pry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they're sitting kind of loose, that means you know they're
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[SPEAKER_01]: what you want to say to them, they start frowning or scouring a certain way that's telling you something different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I look a lot of people's body language.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I look at being a dad and no matter what your relationship is with your kids, if you have one, if you don't, you're still a parent, you're going to feel a certain way if your kids are here, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking at abundance of being a dad, could I sit on this witness stand?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would my demeanor be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I have to now, even if it's three years later, okay, I've never lost a child, but I have lost my mother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My mother would be gone six years in a very short few days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: September 5th, and it's been six years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still in mourning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's still times I break down for no reason because of my mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now imagine that to be a child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We expect that at some point in our parents, we will outlive them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We never expect that would occur.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking at even if it's been three years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have my babies no more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is my demeanor going to be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to be cool?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to be calm?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to cry?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I still overly emotional?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't we get this body language?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This cat sitting on the stand like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: he read the doctor's book he fitted a lot you know when they asked certain questions you see him do all of this a whole lot i think i can count maybe once a twice where he actually shed a tear and he was his answer like it was not a long that alarms me because the fact that i know as a father and a grandfather
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, you tell me something about one of my kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm boo-hoo-in, there's three years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, look, can you give me a second bro?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's been three years, but man, I don't know what I'm gonna get through this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I want you to shift gears to Lindsey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lindsey has broken down several times in this trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every time they've referred me reference to her kids, she's crying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm looking at her body language.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it is very possible for somebody to fake this to get away with stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big fan of the movie, Primal Fear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you remember when we looked that up, that's what it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, they killed a Catholic priest because he was having them do all kinds of bad, sexual stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he put on this defensive of a lifetime where he convinces the attorney that he was nearly crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do know people can fake that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you look at Lindsey Clancy, she's not faking it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She got to a point to where they had to do a very hard day where they had to go with the optopsie photos and she broke down so hard and said, I can't do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the judge ended up saying that said, let's call her recess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to make sure Ms. Clancy's okay because you can't keep going on like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also a whole lot of evidence people that if people just wake up and look at
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hold on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really want to get into it, but I'm trying to save all this for my big episode was this verdict is over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will give you this setup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am going to be challenging their expert that they call to the stand and talk about the Apple Watch in the data on it because he said some things that is absolutely not true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know this not only because I worked for Apple for eight years, but also because I am every day for the last pass at least 12 years Apple Watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know how this thing works in and out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some of the things that he said about the data not being different the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to cover all that coming up for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get more into my theory along with some other people of Patrick Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to tell you exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just got a little taste of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why I think he has something to do with it if he didn't commit the murders himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is so much evidence that is pointing in this direction that people's not wanting to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you go back and look at his testimony, I'm telling you, this prosecution has done the most wacky's job of prosecuting because he tells you point blank a lot of the things that's there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's asking him these questions that redancing follows up on brilliantly, and I don't know why the defense
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because when you testified against the spouse, they're looking for something to see, like, yeah, I don't think she was a good mom, she needs to do this that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, did not do that did not do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, what a ex and their mom Lindsay was a lot of ways Patrick helped the defense in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're also going to talk about the two civil suits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're making this a big, huge deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody, I think it was Christina Randall again, who made response to the fact that there is a civil lawsuit and that if Lindsey Clancy gets off, she stands to win millions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's correct that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only did Lindsey Clancy follow lawsuit, Patrick Clancy followed the exact same lawsuit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two lawsuits against all these
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[SPEAKER_01]: doctors because of the fact that they're a horrible responsible because of medication turn away in the whole night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We go get all into debt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I promise you this would be an episode like no other episode you've heard about this cleansing case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going to work on getting Shama here on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you guys would be greatly entertained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I've taught her several times, my wife's going to for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had come and say this is where her before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know exactly what she's going to bring to this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So do definitely want to come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All I'm going to say before I go on this episode, it comes a Lindsey class is this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three children was murdered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do, I just say there's, I do believe that she was suffering a serious little break.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, if she is genuine, that she needs to be, I'm not going to say let go, even if they charge with manslaughter, I don't think that she's ever getting out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I won't, we're going to discuss that too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What does happen to the person that they are of a mental break and,
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[SPEAKER_01]: day was up for this kind of new to this walk out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they just walk out because of her state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If she did do it, then she needs to go to jail for the rest of her natural life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If she did it and there was nothing wrong with her and there's whole thing she's been faking this whole time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let me just put this in your ear before I go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a long time to fix something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She has been in this mental hospital for the last three years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one thing I'll say that the authorities got right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't go put her in jail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If this baby don't know if she really suffered from all of this, she was in a mental hospital this whole time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doctors in, doctor's out, clergy in, clergy out, investigators, police officers, security guards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about you, but if I'm telling a lie, I've got to keep them a good for three years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somewhere down the line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to make it, I'm going to break and something's going to give, but after three years, same report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all right, guys, thank you for tuning in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what will give you an update on what is going on in the Lindsey Clancy case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are still two days in no verdict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully we get a verdict soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember if Vinnie Palitan is falling but it's going that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically in Laminate's term now he's saying, okay, so we're a day two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was Thursday, Friday, you got the weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Monday, we expecting them not to come with the verdict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tuesday would be considered we're starting to run long and Wednesday is we're running long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the one thing I didn't say at the beginning is this actually works in the best interest of the defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you guys don't know a lot about trials and cases, the longer the jury out, the better for the defense, because that really means that they got to weigh everything hard because of the fact that they're trying to make their right decision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you get a jury that walks in on this kind of case and they back between five and 10 hours, you already know that Joe Klein knows because if they went back and they came back out that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's like, yeah, they guilty, boom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, why waste time five hours later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, we got a verdict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You already know that your client is cooked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, no matter how the district attorney is trying to play and save phase in the public, they are nervous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once it goes past two days at least, prosecution starts getting really, really nervous because they are now starting to think that there is a possibility
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[SPEAKER_01]: that this person could get off and they would lose the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, once this is all over, we get a verdict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will then tell you everything in that episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next episode you hear about Lindsey Clancy at least will be from me and hopefully Shana, we get her here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright guys, once again, I thank you for joining me.
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