Oct. 5, 2026
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to True Crime, offers and extraordinary people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The podcast where we bring two passions together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The show that gives new meaning to the old adage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Truth is stranger than fiction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And reminding you that there is an extraordinary person in all of us here is your host, David McLean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on with about your episode of True Crime?
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[SPEAKER_00]: All those extraordinary people, of course, I'm your man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: David McClam, have you guys haven't already?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Michigan follows us on all of our social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One link to a link tree will get you every place you need to go and take it to the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like I always like to remind you, if you are someone that you know someone who feels like hurting yourself or someone else, please do this up a soul and dial 988.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the suicide prevention hotline that can get you the help that you need.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In case no one else has told you this today, let me be the first to tell you, I do care and I do need you to be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is nothing worth yours or anyone else's life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been away for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I did a little earlier that I would probably be gone over the summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Summer gets really busy for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just ended fair time here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just spread over two weekends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My friend and I will be interfera contest there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We volunteer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm always gone over those weekends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then various other things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do know that there's some things that we need to discuss and tell you what's going on and who's coming and there's a very special thing I'm going to tell you that's happening to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as of this recording today, but first, before I get into all of that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to say a hardy congratulations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were able to go to a wedding on Saturday, just past for Erin and McKinsey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Erin and McKinsey, for high school friends of my daughter, Madison, and the funny thing is, is my daughter and McKinsey and Erin became friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did another girl in that group named Ashlyn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just to all find out that their mothers all know each other because my wife and their mothers all went to school together when they were younger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people think that high school issues don't last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm one of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen so many of them come and go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My daughter asked me a long time ago when I heard that they were dating that I think was going to work out or the last of like, I hope it does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But usually around that 11, 12th grade year, it starts to fizzle because friends getting the other people's ears, talk about you, get ready to go off the college.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want me to tie down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a whole lot of breakups happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In there in the McKinsey's case, I believe they met around
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, don't think he really got the curse as growl to wrong the 11th year living in the 10th grade year and they even took like glue ever since so they do work and they do happen and I've been a witness to that and I was more than happy to be at that wedding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was going to say congratulations to Erin and McKinsey, I wish you guys all the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's any advice I could give you would be this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Marriage is a marathon, not a sprint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been running the same marathon for 24 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I made some mistakes before I met them along the way that I know and I have faith that you guys will not make.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you guys will be together forever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember this is a marathon that has never supposed to end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: until death do you part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wish you guys the best in the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know that we're always here for you if you need us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so before I get it to all the true crime,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to let you guys know that I am embarking on something that is very big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I entered a contest a little bit ago and I was informed about a week or so ago that I was a finalist in this contest for hosting a podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today, I don't speak to you by the time you hear this voting would have already started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those ones where your family and friends and colleagues get to vote to see who becomes this host.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will leave the link in the description that goes directly to where you can vote for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How this works is if I win, I get a six episode series produced by our heart radio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I get $25,000 and I get to go have a chat on air with Ryan C. Chris.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is something that would get me started in the way I want to go, which is to do this full time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, podcasting, I was doing my full time thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have several shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing this now 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it would be great to be able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I can get you guys who listen to the show, to go ahead and vote for me today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they don't tell me it was a daily vote over the cases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just know that voting starts today October 5th, everybody give vote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You give vote, your parents give vote, your friends give vote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody you want to vote?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's see if I can come out and become what they call now the top host, it would definitely truly be a blessing and I do appreciate you guys and I thank you guys in advance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do know there's a lot of things you got talking about on the true crime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see what's coming down the pipeline for you very soon here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What about another Lindsey Clezzi type case?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a documentary that dropped middle of September called Baby Dough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Baby Dough has been going through all kinds of screenings and it is the story of Gail Richie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Gail Richie, while 30 years ago or so now did not know she was pregnant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll side in a field somewhere now because of DNA 30 years later they figure out who the baby belongs to they go to get her
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the same DNA that got the golden state killer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's ligand grand children to grandparents that community murders 23 years ago, right now DNA is wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you guys are doing those DNA tests, I've done one of myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a box that you get to check.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want anybody to think that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just go and take your DNA and they use it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a box that you get to check and the box asks you if they're able to use your DNA for further things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, in some of the cases I have heard, they've actually contacted the people and said, hey, we have your DNA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We believe you are mass to this person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it okay to reuse your DNA?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they say no legally, only they can use it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in this case, they really had nobody to ask, even if straight back to her, I think they wouldn't talk to her parents first and boom, here you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is an accident, doc, e-miterine, and I got to sit down with Jessica Ernsha, who is the director and filmmaker of Baby Dome, so that any of you's coming to you very soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what about if you went to jail for something you didn't do when you were younger,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bill for I believe seven months.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have a guy that that happened to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk to Wes Appreciate and he's going to tell you all about that in the book that he's written.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There we're going to talk to a guy who's an often out and had a brother that committed the heinous crime He committed a murder
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[SPEAKER_00]: weren't yet the murderer of a person that was a family friend and people still loved and he had to deal with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he wrote a book called reckoning, what it meant for him, what it did to him and his family, how he overcame that and came out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's very successful, where he became a big CEO of the whole nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to talk to Jim Manarek, all of those has come in your direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: fairly soon, so stay tuned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, a lot more authors did what I would call a peer extraordinary person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I'm going to do is I'm going to start pulling people that I know of that you know of, that would be an extraordinary person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you a little bit about their lives, what they did, why they are extraordinary, and why we should look to them for guidance, if we have things that we just think we cannot get through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just mentioned there, I know, y'all probably kind of left you there, but Lindsey
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be coming back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been trying to gather all the information I can because a lot of things happen as you guys know with that 11 juror now the 11 juror has an attorney There's more things that's coming out of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's now claims of racism because apparently Sullivan said on another case Just like claysies for an African American woman, but we fuse saled in any of her mental health testimony She was later convicted
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the living jurors coming out of that now it's a black man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were saying that he basically admitted that there was reasonable doubt, but he wouldn't go with that, but he's now saying the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's saying that basically he said that Lindsey Clinton was fighting our guilty and that all the people were pretty much jumped on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm trying to get to all of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys know how I feel about racism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like to call that unless I
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[SPEAKER_00]: can put it in there and I can't take it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you guys don't very fair to that kind of stuff, but that's what's going on with Lindsey Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be talking about that really soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure as you guys have already heard the known of the last few days, but it's time our Christopher Pike, Christopher Pike was supposed to be executed on September 30th, and it was botched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to what I have read seen, and not believe because some of you will have said it, and I've looked it up, Tennessee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like the second botched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: execution they've had to get like five months of something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then then four years a second time the governor's had to call for a complete stop of executions until there is an investigation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As far as we know right now, Christopher Pike is still breathing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last I heard she was on the ventilator and she was unconscious as they're trying to move the drugs out of her body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, last and not least, that's really big right now going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the death of Ken Erker, who was the XV on say, and the baby daddy of Gypsy Rose Blancher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gypsy Rose blends is one of those cases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've kind of stayed away from one of the years and give you guys what I thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say this, there's a lot of communities now that's out there that's dealing with this one case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are 4 Gypsy Rose and some of them are anti Gypsy Rose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Each group deserves to exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I stand on this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And every podcast I've ever done when I do with True Crime, the one thing you guys always could decount on is that I am giving you accurate information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not making things up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not lying and I'll let you give you things which you can verify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If there is proof out there that some of the things I'm hearing about Gypsy Rose is not true, that is the stuff I'm trying to dig up right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I have evidence that says otherwise, it has to be respected that that's what I'm bringing you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm telling you where it's going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I say that because I know there's a lot of people out there that's
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[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't think podcasters get the Gypsy Rose case right or they get mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to counsel us because we say that we believe Diddy Blanchard had much house and by proxy or we say that we feel that Gypsy Rose was abused by her mother and therefore did what she did I can't speak for all podcasters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I going to speak for myself
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jim, she rose bleached into the case that I had covered a long time into her whole entire thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have seen every documentary, I've seen about every interview she's ever done, I knew when she was in when she got out and I followed that trail, but that's how I followed that trail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked for documents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I listened to doctors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched that community with doctors sitting there that has pads and tablets of
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[SPEAKER_00]: things saying why they believe D.D.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blanchard had Montaussain about proxy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched one doc community where they had nothing but a table of documents that was spread out, which is mainly D.D.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brencher's timeline of what was going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had robbed the father that was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I found rather be very credible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all the evidence that was up there at that time is what I gather.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I looked into and that's what I can't just include into which I have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same with the Lindsey Clancy case, all 21 days of that case I watched, looked at evidence, looked what was happening, researched, did some stuff, came to my conclusion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now when it comes to Gypsy Rose, when she got a prison, she went on like this wild adventure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a lot of questions that I started having like, you know, look, this is kind of strange if you just got a prison right for murdering your mind, whatever that circumstance may be, I think I did do something here are two common officers of all ago about gypsy rose right after she got a prison because I was totally against what she was doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had stated that she shouldn't be getting married and she should be going to her father's house that she was opposed to and all these boys that's juggling back and forth is not good for her or she needed to basically process what had happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel like that she had the time to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in prison and then the whole soccer right just kind of got more crazy after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She married Ryan and then after she married Ryan, she decided to leave Ryan and go back to Ken and then, you know, we were in problems from the time she got released because the pro base I was like, you ain't supposed to be here, you know, they wouldn't stop someplace through where it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The business somebody wasn't supposed to be there had to leave right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Ryan was just sucking up this spotlight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the only reason why he wanted to do this because it already cost him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he lost his job when they found out who he was married to, but just his mannerisms of things that he was doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then there came all these TV shows, you know, she's on the talk exactly about Ryan and how she's getting this good and just like a person that
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[SPEAKER_00]: have just got a prison because you murdered your mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though every last interview I've seen with her whether it was Dr. Phil or somebody else, but mainly Dr. Phil, and essentially mainly talk to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She always seemed remorseful and sorry for what she did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Enter a credit, she never said that she thought that she shouldn't go to jail, that she thought that she should for what she did to her mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But now there's a lot of speculation out there about what really happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: killed a mom because of that go to young people saying that D.D.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blanchard never had months house and by proxy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if that is the case I say the same thing people could bring me the evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go through it and see what our scenes and report the news away that the evidence is presenting itself to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the key word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't take anybody's word for anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I did, I would be no better than the podcast that I go after on my other show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are not afraid presents for the record with David McCleum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I'm telling you about these podcasts, whether it align to you, whether in consistencies, whether it made up things just to make it sound good, where maybe the holes of the podcast is doing things he shouldn't be doing with their subject.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be no better than them, because they are not heavily researched and we've pointed that out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've done a couple of episodes already about the Gypsy Rose thing in a certain podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing about it is, is I would be no better than them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because I'm not leaning on the evidence, then I'm leaning on the word of people because I'm afraid to be canceled or people's going to dislike me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you are afraid of who it is like you, this is the wrong business, because a lot of you are going to dislike you for anything you say, that's why you have to be backed by the mountain of proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's for any case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do go back and look at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen to any case I've done here and you will see the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never said this person said this and if I did, I told you that this person said it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was speculation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't vet it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if it is proven, I said, hey, here's your source.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's why I get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to dig back into that, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if there is proof under anyone listed in who has this proof and FYAs and all this kind of things that people saying, I haven't had time FYA this case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the parameters are for the state in which this happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do know that certain states have different, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: rules about effo a for instance, I've already bought this stuff in Arkansas, and I was told by some of them that because I'm not a resident of Arkansas, they didn't have to give me anything if they didn't want to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then sometimes effo a thing, they like to him and how you, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I, if I a Christopher donor, this to me proved that the cops had something to hide because they himdened hard and they would never give me all the information that I'm looking for, asking for that I know they have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this gave himself that was publicly known or that did not damage them as much and I know that's the fact because of who Chris Rodorno is and what he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we are going to talk about Ken Herker though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will come back to episode on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do believe that there's some fishy stuff going on with his death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When he passed it was his birthday and he just died suddenly, his sister has been all over social media now pretty much saying, please nobody believe that this was death of natural causes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to say what I heard another podcast was that I can tell you that dips you rose didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you that it does seem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: very fishy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I still wait for that because there's already groups and people that saying, we know, did you most killed them?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I support that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing in the police report.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There supports that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No weapon, no evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand if you are against somebody and you just know or feel the person did it, I get that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in my position from why I sit in this chair, I don't have that liberty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That gypsy road wouldn't kill him and I thought I can tell you why, how it'd give you the knife or the gun or the road or however he died, I couldn't say that, that was my personal opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have to back that with fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So please expect the fact that this podcast runs off a fact and I do back it off from that and it becomes industry overseas with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, but I have to go by what the evidence says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, if I did not do that, then I would be just
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[SPEAKER_00]: of the people who I warn you about listening to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys, so that's that brief update for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look for those people I told you about to come out real soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you could by the time you hear this, it would probably be time to vote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Click that link in the show note.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go over there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You would tell this to me when you click it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bigger photograph of me would be sitting there with a little bit of my bio I believe with the questions they asked me and go ahead and click that button.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know if it's daily, I think it'll tell you when you go there they have not told us that yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been very good with dropping videos though for everything that's going on up to this point for the last couple weeks, so I'm sure after that the video will follow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my next episode, what's going on soon, if there is I'll tell you guys or if you just
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it gives your account down and will tell you how many days you have left to vote as well how many times you can vote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right guys, once again I thank you for tuning in with me today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand and I know that you have really chosen a true crime and any of you podcasts and I am just glad that I am one of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to True Crime, offers and extraordinary people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The podcast where we bring two passions together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The show that gives new meaning to the old adage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Truth is stranger than fiction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And reminding you that there is an extraordinary person in all of us here is your host, David McLean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on with about your episode of True Crime?
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[SPEAKER_00]: All those extraordinary people, of course, I'm your man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like I always like to remind you, if you are someone that you know someone who feels like hurting yourself or someone else, please do this up a soul and dial 988.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the suicide prevention hotline that can get you the help that you need.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In case no one else has told you this today, let me be the first to tell you, I do care and I do need you to be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is nothing worth yours or anyone else's life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been away for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I did a little earlier that I would probably be gone over the summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Summer gets really busy for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just ended fair time here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just spread over two weekends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My friend and I will be interfera contest there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We volunteer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm always gone over those weekends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then various other things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do know that there's some things that we need to discuss and tell you what's going on and who's coming and there's a very special thing I'm going to tell you that's happening to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as of this recording today, but first, before I get into all of that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to say a hardy congratulations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were able to go to a wedding on Saturday, just past for Erin and McKinsey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Erin and McKinsey, for high school friends of my daughter, Madison, and the funny thing is, is my daughter and McKinsey and Erin became friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did another girl in that group named Ashlyn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just to all find out that their mothers all know each other because my wife and their mothers all went to school together when they were younger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people think that high school issues don't last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm one of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen so many of them come and go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My daughter asked me a long time ago when I heard that they were dating that I think was going to work out or the last of like, I hope it does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But usually around that 11, 12th grade year, it starts to fizzle because friends getting the other people's ears, talk about you, get ready to go off the college.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want me to tie down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a whole lot of breakups happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In there in the McKinsey's case, I believe they met around
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, don't think he really got the curse as growl to wrong the 11th year living in the 10th grade year and they even took like glue ever since so they do work and they do happen and I've been a witness to that and I was more than happy to be at that wedding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was going to say congratulations to Erin and McKinsey, I wish you guys all the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's any advice I could give you would be this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Marriage is a marathon, not a sprint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been running the same marathon for 24 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I made some mistakes before I met them along the way that I know and I have faith that you guys will not make.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you guys will be together forever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember this is a marathon that has never supposed to end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: until death do you part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wish you guys the best in the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know that we're always here for you if you need us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so before I get it to all the true crime,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to let you guys know that I am embarking on something that is very big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I entered a contest a little bit ago and I was informed about a week or so ago that I was a finalist in this contest for hosting a podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today, I don't speak to you by the time you hear this voting would have already started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those ones where your family and friends and colleagues get to vote to see who becomes this host.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will leave the link in the description that goes directly to where you can vote for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How this works is if I win, I get a six episode series produced by our heart radio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I get $25,000 and I get to go have a chat on air with Ryan C. Chris.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is something that would get me started in the way I want to go, which is to do this full time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, podcasting, I was doing my full time thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have several shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing this now 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it would be great to be able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I can get you guys who listen to the show, to go ahead and vote for me today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they don't tell me it was a daily vote over the cases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just know that voting starts today October 5th, everybody give vote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You give vote, your parents give vote, your friends give vote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody you want to vote?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's see if I can come out and become what they call now the top host, it would definitely truly be a blessing and I do appreciate you guys and I thank you guys in advance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do know there's a lot of things you got talking about on the true crime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see what's coming down the pipeline for you very soon here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What about another Lindsey Clezzi type case?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a documentary that dropped middle of September called Baby Dough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Baby Dough has been going through all kinds of screenings and it is the story of Gail Richie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Gail Richie, while 30 years ago or so now did not know she was pregnant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll side in a field somewhere now because of DNA 30 years later they figure out who the baby belongs to they go to get her
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the same DNA that got the golden state killer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's ligand grand children to grandparents that community murders 23 years ago, right now DNA is wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you guys are doing those DNA tests, I've done one of myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a box that you get to check.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want anybody to think that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just go and take your DNA and they use it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a box that you get to check and the box asks you if they're able to use your DNA for further things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, in some of the cases I have heard, they've actually contacted the people and said, hey, we have your DNA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We believe you are mass to this person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it okay to reuse your DNA?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they say no legally, only they can use it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in this case, they really had nobody to ask, even if straight back to her, I think they wouldn't talk to her parents first and boom, here you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is an accident, doc, e-miterine, and I got to sit down with Jessica Ernsha, who is the director and filmmaker of Baby Dome, so that any of you's coming to you very soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what about if you went to jail for something you didn't do when you were younger,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bill for I believe seven months.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have a guy that that happened to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk to Wes Appreciate and he's going to tell you all about that in the book that he's written.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There we're going to talk to a guy who's an often out and had a brother that committed the heinous crime He committed a murder
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[SPEAKER_00]: weren't yet the murderer of a person that was a family friend and people still loved and he had to deal with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he wrote a book called reckoning, what it meant for him, what it did to him and his family, how he overcame that and came out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's very successful, where he became a big CEO of the whole nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to talk to Jim Manarek, all of those has come in your direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: fairly soon, so stay tuned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, a lot more authors did what I would call a peer extraordinary person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I'm going to do is I'm going to start pulling people that I know of that you know of, that would be an extraordinary person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you a little bit about their lives, what they did, why they are extraordinary, and why we should look to them for guidance, if we have things that we just think we cannot get through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just mentioned there, I know, y'all probably kind of left you there, but Lindsey
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be coming back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been trying to gather all the information I can because a lot of things happen as you guys know with that 11 juror now the 11 juror has an attorney There's more things that's coming out of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's now claims of racism because apparently Sullivan said on another case Just like claysies for an African American woman, but we fuse saled in any of her mental health testimony She was later convicted
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the living jurors coming out of that now it's a black man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were saying that he basically admitted that there was reasonable doubt, but he wouldn't go with that, but he's now saying the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's saying that basically he said that Lindsey Clinton was fighting our guilty and that all the people were pretty much jumped on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm trying to get to all of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys know how I feel about racism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like to call that unless I
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[SPEAKER_00]: can put it in there and I can't take it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you guys don't very fair to that kind of stuff, but that's what's going on with Lindsey Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be talking about that really soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure as you guys have already heard the known of the last few days, but it's time our Christopher Pike, Christopher Pike was supposed to be executed on September 30th, and it was botched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to what I have read seen, and not believe because some of you will have said it, and I've looked it up, Tennessee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like the second botched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: execution they've had to get like five months of something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then then four years a second time the governor's had to call for a complete stop of executions until there is an investigation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As far as we know right now, Christopher Pike is still breathing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last I heard she was on the ventilator and she was unconscious as they're trying to move the drugs out of her body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, last and not least, that's really big right now going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the death of Ken Erker, who was the XV on say, and the baby daddy of Gypsy Rose Blancher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gypsy Rose blends is one of those cases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've kind of stayed away from one of the years and give you guys what I thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say this, there's a lot of communities now that's out there that's dealing with this one case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are 4 Gypsy Rose and some of them are anti Gypsy Rose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Each group deserves to exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I stand on this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And every podcast I've ever done when I do with True Crime, the one thing you guys always could decount on is that I am giving you accurate information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not making things up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not lying and I'll let you give you things which you can verify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If there is proof out there that some of the things I'm hearing about Gypsy Rose is not true, that is the stuff I'm trying to dig up right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I have evidence that says otherwise, it has to be respected that that's what I'm bringing you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm telling you where it's going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I say that because I know there's a lot of people out there that's
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[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't think podcasters get the Gypsy Rose case right or they get mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to counsel us because we say that we believe Diddy Blanchard had much house and by proxy or we say that we feel that Gypsy Rose was abused by her mother and therefore did what she did I can't speak for all podcasters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I going to speak for myself
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jim, she rose bleached into the case that I had covered a long time into her whole entire thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have seen every documentary, I've seen about every interview she's ever done, I knew when she was in when she got out and I followed that trail, but that's how I followed that trail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked for documents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I listened to doctors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched that community with doctors sitting there that has pads and tablets of
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[SPEAKER_00]: things saying why they believe D.D.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blanchard had Montaussain about proxy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched one doc community where they had nothing but a table of documents that was spread out, which is mainly D.D.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brencher's timeline of what was going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had robbed the father that was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I found rather be very credible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all the evidence that was up there at that time is what I gather.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I looked into and that's what I can't just include into which I have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same with the Lindsey Clancy case, all 21 days of that case I watched, looked at evidence, looked what was happening, researched, did some stuff, came to my conclusion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now when it comes to Gypsy Rose, when she got a prison, she went on like this wild adventure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a lot of questions that I started having like, you know, look, this is kind of strange if you just got a prison right for murdering your mind, whatever that circumstance may be, I think I did do something here are two common officers of all ago about gypsy rose right after she got a prison because I was totally against what she was doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had stated that she shouldn't be getting married and she should be going to her father's house that she was opposed to and all these boys that's juggling back and forth is not good for her or she needed to basically process what had happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel like that she had the time to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in prison and then the whole soccer right just kind of got more crazy after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She married Ryan and then after she married Ryan, she decided to leave Ryan and go back to Ken and then, you know, we were in problems from the time she got released because the pro base I was like, you ain't supposed to be here, you know, they wouldn't stop someplace through where it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The business somebody wasn't supposed to be there had to leave right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Ryan was just sucking up this spotlight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the only reason why he wanted to do this because it already cost him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he lost his job when they found out who he was married to, but just his mannerisms of things that he was doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then there came all these TV shows, you know, she's on the talk exactly about Ryan and how she's getting this good and just like a person that
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[SPEAKER_00]: have just got a prison because you murdered your mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though every last interview I've seen with her whether it was Dr. Phil or somebody else, but mainly Dr. Phil, and essentially mainly talk to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She always seemed remorseful and sorry for what she did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Enter a credit, she never said that she thought that she shouldn't go to jail, that she thought that she should for what she did to her mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But now there's a lot of speculation out there about what really happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: killed a mom because of that go to young people saying that D.D.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blanchard never had months house and by proxy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if that is the case I say the same thing people could bring me the evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go through it and see what our scenes and report the news away that the evidence is presenting itself to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the key word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't take anybody's word for anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I did, I would be no better than the podcast that I go after on my other show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are not afraid presents for the record with David McCleum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I'm telling you about these podcasts, whether it align to you, whether in consistencies, whether it made up things just to make it sound good, where maybe the holes of the podcast is doing things he shouldn't be doing with their subject.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be no better than them, because they are not heavily researched and we've pointed that out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've done a couple of episodes already about the Gypsy Rose thing in a certain podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing about it is, is I would be no better than them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because I'm not leaning on the evidence, then I'm leaning on the word of people because I'm afraid to be canceled or people's going to dislike me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you are afraid of who it is like you, this is the wrong business, because a lot of you are going to dislike you for anything you say, that's why you have to be backed by the mountain of proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's for any case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do go back and look at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen to any case I've done here and you will see the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never said this person said this and if I did, I told you that this person said it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was speculation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't vet it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if it is proven, I said, hey, here's your source.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's why I get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to dig back into that, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if there is proof under anyone listed in who has this proof and FYAs and all this kind of things that people saying, I haven't had time FYA this case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the parameters are for the state in which this happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do know that certain states have different, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: rules about effo a for instance, I've already bought this stuff in Arkansas, and I was told by some of them that because I'm not a resident of Arkansas, they didn't have to give me anything if they didn't want to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then sometimes effo a thing, they like to him and how you, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I, if I a Christopher donor, this to me proved that the cops had something to hide because they himdened hard and they would never give me all the information that I'm looking for, asking for that I know they have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this gave himself that was publicly known or that did not damage them as much and I know that's the fact because of who Chris Rodorno is and what he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we are going to talk about Ken Herker though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will come back to episode on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do believe that there's some fishy stuff going on with his death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When he passed it was his birthday and he just died suddenly, his sister has been all over social media now pretty much saying, please nobody believe that this was death of natural causes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to say what I heard another podcast was that I can tell you that dips you rose didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you that it does seem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: very fishy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I still wait for that because there's already groups and people that saying, we know, did you most killed them?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I support that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing in the police report.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There supports that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No weapon, no evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand if you are against somebody and you just know or feel the person did it, I get that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in my position from why I sit in this chair, I don't have that liberty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That gypsy road wouldn't kill him and I thought I can tell you why, how it'd give you the knife or the gun or the road or however he died, I couldn't say that, that was my personal opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have to back that with fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So please expect the fact that this podcast runs off a fact and I do back it off from that and it becomes industry overseas with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, but I have to go by what the evidence says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, if I did not do that, then I would be just
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[SPEAKER_00]: of the people who I warn you about listening to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys, so that's that brief update for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look for those people I told you about to come out real soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you could by the time you hear this, it would probably be time to vote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go over there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You would tell this to me when you click it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bigger photograph of me would be sitting there with a little bit of my bio I believe with the questions they asked me and go ahead and click that button.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know if it's daily, I think it'll tell you when you go there they have not told us that yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been very good with dropping videos though for everything that's going on up to this point for the last couple weeks, so I'm sure after that the video will follow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my next episode, what's going on soon, if there is I'll tell you guys or if you just
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